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[Steve Connell]

Tony, where I was is in a union since 78, do I need to run my history for you, don't think so. Cunningham has his convictions and I have mine, simple as that. I do not think less of any AMFA supporter, or organizer, for wanting what they think is right. HOWEVER, when I see the history of AMFA and the job losses they have allowed I will do all I can to keep them out of my workplace. The local tactics some have used against Kirk Wells are unforgiveable and should be dealt with one on one. Bring my family into your AMFA drive as you did Wells and you'll see the difference between control and no control, this I assure you.

I would have thought if AMFA would want to draw numbers into their ranks they would have held a debate between the numbers, what are you all afraid of? The facts speak for themselves, and I mean the facts, not some twist or half-truth you wish to put forth. I have been fighting against AMFA since the early 90's and will continue to support all efforts against AMFA. They cannot be a craft union, they are an industrialist union wanting to be a craft union. The organizers they allow to put forth their rhetoric shows the degree of professionalism in their ranks.

 

[Hackman]

YES!!! I think team twu needs to see how infantile they really are, twu professionals in action.

I see there are a number of visiters to this site lately, might help turn a few fence sitters. It also might show management how their company union acts out in public. :blink:

 

[Steve Connell]

Stewart, why is it when you type or speak to a TWA member you always show concern for their seniority? Oh, please tell me you voted for me to keep mine or that you had no vote would be a better falsehood.

Our seniority issue is just that, ours. Not yours Dave, you need to worry about your next campaign in '07.

Good job TWUer, this past week has been a worthwhile experience and a definate blow to AMFA's image and rally attempt. Can you imagine the look on Alf's face when the true union members did not enter his parlor and swell his much needed audience, poor guy, almost feel sorry for the midget. I for one am glad Mr. Hall did as we asked and turned down Alf's invitation, why give any creedance to his used car speaches.

 

[TWU informer]

It's time to keep the personal attacks here to a minimum. You ALL had the opportunity to face me and do your bidding, I didn't get one invite I felt necessary to respond to. You enjoy making comments to women like Linda to get that testosterone level up. She's more of a union person than any of you here repping AMFA.

I see your call for minimum personal attacks doesn't seem to apply to your postings.

Typical TWU stooge, cannot even follow your own rules.

 

[TonyB]

You TeAAm TWU clowns are real sharp. Didn't it occur to any of you Einsteins that there is a WAR going on? There are American 18 and 19 year old boys coming home in body bags and are being put to rest in flag draped coffins and you bums have the nerve to use the American flag witha coffin to boot, in your childish mockery! Don't you think someone maytake offence at your idiotic antics?

You pukes are dummer than I thought you were and definately dumber than you look! :down: :down: :down: :down:

 

[mojo13]

Still waiting for the moon shots

 

[twuer]

twuer quote:
And by the way I could care less about your past or present convictions. Talk to someone who cares will ya' pal. How's that for tenacity??? shock.gif

What if UAL TECH was a felon and trying to be a leader. You would not care that he was representing you and your craft? Really? I guess the bible does say forgive and forget, right twuer? Being a twuer, you have to look the other way quite often.

The twu: PUNKS, DRUNKS, COWARDS, AND YES, FELONS!!!!

Next the twu will start a card drive at Fulsom Prison.

You're not too smart are you Hackman???? By convictions I wasn't talking about his criminal record. I know that is what a lot of you AMFA boys look in to but that wasn't the premise of my comments. He made reference to what he felt strongly about in the past and what he feels strongly about now. His convictions. . .what he feels strongly about, his views on things. Some words do have more than one meaning. Or did you not know that. . .

:huh:

Well jeez twuer, my bad. Its hard sometimes to know where your coming from, because you lie so much. You can't be too intelligent, your still a twu true believer.

The problem with the twu today is many (notice I said many, not ALL) of the people with any integrity have stepped down and removed themselves from the twu. Can you see what type of people you have left? I guess not.

Guys like rick mullins, kirk wells, and steve connel are not people I want leading my union. Some people are just satisfied with less apparently. :blink:

Oh and I guess you would vote for guys like Dave Stewart and Dan Cunningham????

YIKES!!!

You're more desparate than I thought!!

 

[Hackman]

Tony, where I was is in a union since 78, do I need to run my history for you, don't think so. Cunningham has his convictions and I have mine, simple as that. I do not think less of any AMFA supporter, or organizer, for wanting what they think is right. HOWEVER, when I see the history of AMFA and the job losses they have allowed I will do all I can to keep them out of my workplace. The local tactics some have used against Kirk Wells are unforgiveable and should be dealt with one on one. Bring my family into your AMFA drive as you did Wells and you'll see the difference between control and no control, this I assure you.

I would have thought if AMFA would want to draw numbers into their ranks they would have held a debate between the numbers, what are you all afraid of? The facts speak for themselves, and I mean the facts, not some twist or half-truth you wish to put forth. I have been fighting against AMFA since the early 90's and will continue to support all efforts against AMFA. They cannot be a craft union, they are an industrialist union wanting to be a craft union. The organizers they allow to put forth their rhetoric shows the degree of professionalism in their ranks.

Hi Earl steve,

I did not get to meet you yesterday, I should have asked Dan to point you out. There were a few older guys from Kansas, didn't look like anyone much to get worried about. If there is a next time, I hear AMFA National will invite Sunny "the coward" Hall or lITTLE again before we file, I'll try to remember to find the tall old guy with grey hair and a cane. That is if your still around, and MCI is not shut down by then.

We know you sorry history Earl. Your latest BS about Company Man Dan going for management is quite a stretch, ever for you. The difference is you went into management, he did not. He saw the light, you obviously have not. Quite a distinction. He has more integrity than you will ever have. We exspect many in team twu will try and slither into management when AMFA comes in at AA. That is where they belong, the twu is in bed with them anyway. You'll be pushing paper and getting the boss his coffee soon enough.

The job loses AMFA has suffered are being challenged in arbitration, but you twu believers still don't acknowledge it. What are you gonna do if they win? HIDE? Base shutdowns are done by the company and NO union can stop them. At least the ATL mechanics could go to MSP if they wanted to follow their work. Tell us what happened to the UAL/ iam mechanics at Indy? Laid off and abandone? What about US Air? Concessions and still failing? What about your own TWA? Concession after concession and TWA still went down the crapper. AMFA has done so much for the mechanic in the few years since 1998 and the industry changing contract at NWA. Much more than the twu and the iam have done in 50 years. The industrial unions have done nothing but lose, with industry leading concesssions to match the layoffs. Your hailed industrail unions have failed at the "concessions for jobs game" and are being ousted or will be at all carriers for the mechanic and related. AMFA is gaining- the twu/iam/ibt is losing. Truth hurts. No concessions needed.

What are you talking about concerning kirk wells? Did you buy his "I'm a victim" crying game? He has been challenged on his felony record and his thug twu tuff guy tactics to his face by myself and others. Even leaders in his own team twu have told him to chill out, he refuses. He will NEVER be a leader. No one I know of has brought his family into this fight and why would they, he is divorced and they have nothing to do with him is my understanding. He will say and do anything to get attention, he constantly lies. No one I have talked to in team twu likes him. However, he is wonderful for our AMFA card drive. I am glad the twu International selected him, he's burning the twu down fast. I met one of his ex-friends from Tulsa last night after the meeting and he told even more about his sorry past. Very interesting, and further confirms his psyco image. He has threatened many, many of his co-workers, (mostly women and old men). He threatens to take them to HR, kick they're ass, rat them out and so on. He even acts like he's recording you when you try to talk to him. Is he your brand of industrial unionism Earl steve? If it is, you have already lost.

What is a "debate between the numbers?" Twu Liars Football? Do you mean members? We already do that every day. IT IS THE LEADERS THAT SHOULD DEBATE!!!! Like the signs said yesterday, WHERE IS SONNY? If the twu thinks Delle is such a putz (sorry Delle), what the hell are they hiding for? Hall and lITTLE are the ones that are chickens@#$, they're afraid of they're own members and they won't take on AMFA head to head in a public forum. They know they will LOSE, and they have you team twu buffoons to do the twu bidding. It sure is good to be King in the twu international. Sit back, collect your 200K a year, and no worries. Let the brainwashed run blocker. It just sucks when accountability and democracy rears its head, and you have to answer to it.

AMFA is craft union. They represent M@R only. No afl-cio BS needed.

Good luck trying to stop AMFA. Its too late.

THE twu IS OUT THE DOOR IN 04!!!

 

[Hackman]

twuer quote:
And by the way I could care less about your past or present convictions. Talk to someone who cares will ya' pal. How's that for tenacity??? shock.gif

What if UAL TECH was a felon and trying to be a leader. You would not care that he was representing you and your craft? Really? I guess the bible does say forgive and forget, right twuer? Being a twuer, you have to look the other way quite often.

The twu: PUNKS, DRUNKS, COWARDS, AND YES, FELONS!!!!

Next the twu will start a card drive at Fulsom Prison.

You're not too smart are you Hackman???? By convictions I wasn't talking about his criminal record. I know that is what a lot of you AMFA boys look in to but that wasn't the premise of my comments. He made reference to what he felt strongly about in the past and what he feels strongly about now. His convictions. . .what he feels strongly about, his views on things. Some words do have more than one meaning. Or did you not know that. . .

:huh:

Well jeez twuer, my bad. Its hard sometimes to know where your coming from, because you lie so much. You can't be too intelligent, your still a twu true believer.

The problem with the twu today is many (notice I said many, not ALL) of the people with any integrity have stepped down and removed themselves from the twu. Can you see what type of people you have left? I guess not.

Guys like rick mullins, kirk wells, and steve connel are not people I want leading my union. Some people are just satisfied with less apparently. :blink:

Oh and I guess you would vote for guys like Dave Stewart and Dan Cunningham????

YIKES!!!

You're more desparate than I thought!!

Yup, a little integrity, and democracy goes a long way.


I'm just glad I don't have to have kirky wells, or matt lorenzo!!!!

DOUBLE YIKES!!!!!

THE twu IS OUT THE DOOR IN 04!!!!

 

[Steve Connell]

Hackman, I was there man, had you wanted to meet me you could have asked any organizer, I have NO PROBLEM shaking your hand. I believe in and stand by my union, you do not, that is your option. I do not make things personal until you do, but believe this to be true, I represent well. Tall old guy with a cane? Hackman, anytime, anyplace, if you get my drift. I will give you what you so desire.

I do not think any less for an AMFA man to want AMFA if that is his desire in life. I just do not see your reasoning man. I do not provoke confrontation, but I stand firm in my convictions.

The difference is you went into management, he did not. He saw the light
Hackman, you are so wrong here, THE DUDE TRIED TWICE TO GET A MANAGEMENT JOB AND THEY LAUGHED AT HIM It was not a matter of him seeing a light, that boy couldn't get his ego out of the way to know there was light. I saw him flexing to his own shadow, and what a big bellied shadow it was.

I went into management to add to my resume, I learned quite bit in the 9 months I was there, end of discussion. If all you have to is my management position to post on me then carry on. Your facts of AMFA are weak and the TWU knows the truth of AMFA, they now have a history at Horizon, NWA, UAL, shall I continue to embarrass your association? Listen Hackman, even though we disagree on representation I am still open to calling you a brother, just don't ask me to give creedance to any of Alf's rantings.

 

[TWU informer]

Steve,

You seem to be a bigshot spokesperson for MCI, or at least in your own mind you are. However, I was thinking recently, you and your type of unionism damn near or in fact did, destroy TWA to the point that AA bought it for pennies on the dollar and saved you from a permanent restart. And if I am not mistaken, you were the proud product of concessions for jobs handed out by the IAM.

Given your loud mouth, and apparent leadership of the work force, and the end result of that leadership. Why should we believe or follow you anywhere?

Seems to me, you and the industrial unions already killed TWA once, why should we take your advice and kill it again while we are now attached by the umbilical cord?

And NOW you even admit that you were in management during the destruction of TWA. Maybe we would all be alot safer if you were not in control of anything period! Union or Company, your ideas suck and destroy.

 

[Checking it Out]

Dave great way to drum up support to sign a card!!!!!


Just a note,

Today on the floor the only subject everyone was talking about was the Great Job the TWU did this past week. The amfa wantabes had the tail tucked between their legs and were somber.

Delle and the amfa leaders in Tulsa made a major mistake, The Members attending Saturday's event were asking the TWU delegation as they walked down to the stage (they were welcome and wanted them to debate) Once the news went that Delle refused! It sent a clear message Amfa had no guts.

This was more present at the doors on Saturday when several of them got on the phone screaming for help. The look on their faces was shock and awe at the power of the TWU Membership.

I think every one of the Amfa organizers should take off the shirts and hide. If I was supporting this organization I would be hiding and ashamed at the ones who ran away!!!!!! Spineless it was obvious!!!!!!!!

 

[Steve Connell]

CIO, I think this needs mentioning also, it was discussed at the local that there were in fact good TWU members in the AMFA fold, just disgruntled. Believe this to be true, any and all AMFA supporters are ALWAYS welcome back to their respective locals, we are a brotherhood, disruptions and arguments occur daily.

I spoke with a disgruntled 514 member at the local, he was upset about an issue he was involved with but when questioned if he brought this issue up at a monthly meeting he said he did not attend for years.

Guys, you need to be heard at the local level. Go to meetings and be heard. It's real easy to stay in bed than to get up and attend, excuses are plentiful.

 

[Superside]

Dave great way to drum up support to sign a card!!!!!


Just a note,

Today on the floor the only subject everyone was talking about was the Great Job the TWU did this past week. The amfa wantabes had the tail tucked between their legs and were somber.

Delle and the amfa leaders in Tulsa made a major mistake, The Members attending Saturday's event were asking the TWU delegation as they walked down to the stage (they were welcome and wanted them to debate) Once the news went that Delle refused! It sent a clear message Amfa had no guts.

This was more present at the doors on Saturday when several of them got on the phone screaming for help. The look on their faces was shock and awe at the power of the TWU Membership.

I think every one of the Amfa organizers should take off the shirts and hide. If I was supporting this organization I would be hiding and ashamed at the ones who ran away!!!!!! Spineless it was obvious!!!!!!!!

Run and Hide, NO WAY, I handed out 3 more cards 1st thing this morning.
The subject on the floor definately was the events of Saturday.
THANKS CIO AND COMPANY!!!

 

[Steve Connell]

You need all the help you can muster Super, BTW...were the 3 cards a landmark signature for you? Spread the truth, they will listen!