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[Bob Owens]

You need all the help you can muster Super, BTW...were the 3 cards a landmark signature for you? Spread the truth, they will listen!

Thats how true unions are made-one member at a time.

What would you know about the truth Steve?

By the way did you thank 514 for taking away some of your stock clerks jobs?

Where you looking at houses while in Tulsa for when your job goes there?

 

[Superside]

You need all the help you can muster Super, BTW...were the 3 cards a landmark signature for you? Spread the truth, they will listen!

No Sir,
Please note I said "3 more!" The point, I should have made clear is this.

EVERY TIME THE TWU(514) TRIES TO HINDER US, THEY ACTUALLY HELP.
Sorry, but that's way the cookie crumbles.

 

[Steve Connell]

Hey Bobby boy...did the TWU furlough anyone? You need to try real hard and learn to differ between Big Macs and fries man. You're searching for a fight that doesn't exist. Then again Booby, what else do you have?

 

[Bob Owens]

Hey Bobby boy...did the TWU furlough anyone? You need to try real hard and learn to differ between Big Macs and fries man. You're searching for a fight that doesn't exist. Then again Booby, what else do you have?

Hey Bobby boy...did the TWU furlough anyone?

Did the TWU furlough anyone? Where have you been? The TWU had around 35000 members at AA now they have 29000. That 6000 gone already plus more this August for you guys in MCI.

You need to try real hard and learn to differ between Big Macs and fries man.

Are you having trouble?

You're searching for a fight that doesn't exist.

Its seems to have gotten your panties twisted.

Then again Booby, what else do you have?

I guess the same as you!

 

[Steve Connell]

First off Bob, I am going to give an extreme effort not to get personal with insults. I apologize for my earlier words and will attempt to refrain from carrying on with you in that manner. I CAN DO THIS!.

Bob, the TWU believes in jobs for all, unlike AMFA who's motto has been seemed to be "No concessions!". Do you believe Bob that Singapore will close down and the jobs at NWA will return to those furloughed "at full wages and benefits". These times are NOT those of the 70's and 80's, they have been rebirthed since 911. Companies have used our despair to raise their bottom line.

Bob, we are both adults with children. Do you want to or are you prepared to follow NWA and UAL's history with AMFA? My kids enjoy their life as is, they are not aware of what could be. My attacks on you and my willingness to go toe to toe with anyone, anytime, is for one thing man, my family.

Do I consider AMFA a threat? You betcha! I'll be the first to admit it. I want no part of it and will fight to keep it out of my livlihood.

Again I'm sorry for the personal attacks, this is very tiring but my goal is heart felt.

 

[Birdman]

Bob says 6000 jobs LOST by TWU. (J. Little says it, so it must be so)

Steve says "Bob, the TWU believes in jobs for all".

I say ?????????????????????????????

 

[Steve Connell]

Birdman, please hit search and print in NWA, you will see the true meaning to furlough and loss of jobs overseas.

 

[Birdman]

Steve, your not so new to this game that you don't know that was occuring BEFORE AMFA got in at NWA. They got umlimited farmout reduced to 38%. No bad for their FIRST TRY.

 

[Steve Connell]

Birdman, that is what OV preaches, but let's look at the facts. Prior to the cap of 38% ALL outsourcing was grievable by the scope of contract. AMFA sets a 38% cap and what happened? Instantaneously NWA raises the outsourcing to 38% and higher, am I wrong here man? NWA currently has 4 heavy checks in Singapore, am I wrong here?They also have other outsourcing at 3rd party FOB's, not to mention a 45% drop in jobs since their conception. FACTS MAN! And OV mentions he actually saved 62%? Do you see the smoke here? NWA has 38% UNGRIEVABLE, FULL ACCESS, GREEN LIGHT, GO AHEAD!

Sometimes when you see weakness in a contract there lies reason. AMFA is currently the leader of outsourcing, FACT. TWU @ AA reduced outsourcing by 1% last year thanks to the work of the R.O. Committee. AA is the ONLY airline currently performing ALL O/H inhouse. Thank you TWU!

When asked what he did to return work inhouse Delle simply addressed the outsourcing of the TWU..HE DID NOT AND COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.[ref Sept.12 video]

Delle has been selling the AMFA for over 40 years, he knows how to prey upon the distraught. Do your own research and make your own judgements.

 

[Buck]

Delle has been selling the AMFA for over 40 years, he knows how to prey upon the distraught. Do your own research and make your own judgements.

Could it be that there has been something wrong with the TWU for that 40+ years?

 

[Checking it Out]

Buck the only thing wrong is when a mechanic becomes a C/C and he does little to enhance the position he holds.

The TWU is Great, The members are the ones who have achieved this. Not a dictator selling a second grade used car.

 

[Buck]

Buck the only thing wrong is when a mechanic becomes a C/C and he does little to enhance the position he holds.

A personal attack CIO?


Thats just like you as a Union officer.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Do I consider AMFA a threat? You betcha! I'll be the first to admit it. I want no part of it and will fight to keep it out of my livlihood.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Steve, the real threat is the undemocratic no accountability of the twu. You have the right to fight to keep who you want to represent your craft just as much as I do. However, why is the twu/teamtwu expending more energy and visibility (coffin in Tulsa parade) now instead of when we were having our contract gutted?
As for,

First off Bob, I am going to give an extreme effort not to get personal with insults. I apologize for my earlier words and will attempt to refrain from carrying on with you in that manner. I CAN DO THIS!.

hopefully next time we meet you might be a bit more professional. Your laughing was to say the least... laughable. I was hoping to talk with you and Kirk Wells. So much for talking in a professional manner. By the way, I am still waiting for Kirk to explain to me what it is that I am being accused of. I can be professional. Can you?

 

[Checking it Out]

Ken please explain what you have done lately to preserve work in-house?

Is Delle still paying you? And your web site? What a way to ensure your undivided blind following. "Yes Master Delle" what ever you say!!!!!

This was on a cartoon floating around the base today! I could not help repeating it since it fits you so well!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob, the TWU believes in jobs for all, unlike AMFA who's motto has been seemed to be "No concessions!".

I have yet to meet or hear anyone preach "Lets get rid of jobs". Jobs for all is a universal desire, with the possible exception of Allan Greenspan. The RTW preaches "jobs for all", opponents of the minimum wage preach "jobs for all". They use this arguement to preach lower wages creates jobs. The generally accepted union philosophy is not that we need more jobs, but better jobs. Unions cite the fact that many workers work two or more jobs plus have relied on overtime to make ends meet. Unions argue that by shortening the amount of hours that individual workers work and raising wages are the only real way to increase jobs and raise living standards.

Why does the TWUs philosophy sound more like the enemies of labors than of the labor movement?

Do you believe Bob that Singapore will close down and the jobs at NWA will return to those furloughed "at full wages and benefits". These times are NOT those of the 70's and 80's, they have been rebirthed since 911. Companies have used our despair to raise their bottom line.


The first question is ' were the jobs that were lost due to outsourcing or reduced capacity'? Over the last twenty-four years that I've been in this industry I've seen several cycles where there is a surplus of mechanics followed by a shortage of mechanics. Trends of outsourcing followed by trends where airlines bring work back in house. I've been told that both NWA and UAL are already calling guys back.

Companies capitalize on whatever opportunities present themselves. This is nothing new. What has changed is the fact that todays leaders have no leadership skills or courage.

Bob, we are both adults with children. Do you want to or are you prepared to follow NWA and UAL's history with AMFA?

NWA history with AMFA has been of good pay and sustained profitability. NWA is a job worth going back to. UAL only got AMFA last summer and the agreement in place was put there by the IAM. I am prepared and eager to join together with my brothers from NWA, UAL, SWA and hopefully every other mechanic in the industry to form a craft specific industry focused union. These unions have proven to be more effective and efficient than catch all unions as evidenced by pilots, carpenters, electricians and plumbers. Even industry focused industrial unions like the Longshoremen would be preferable to catch all unions like the TWU.. The fact is that for twenty years we have been in a steep overall decline. The organizations in place have failed to come up with any plan to reverse this trend. We need to try something else.


My kids enjoy their life as is, they are not aware of what could be. My attacks on you and my willingness to go toe to toe with anyone, anytime, is for one thing man, my family.

Glad to hear about your well being. No doubt that your children enjoy more material comforts than I can provide to my family. The problem is that if you truly believe in unionism then you would be willing to consider our difficulties, but as you said, you are doing well, we however are not. I even attempted to try and get this out to your coworkers by flying down to MCI. However your E-board would not allow it. Why? Are we not supposed to be brothers?

What you fail to see is that the money that provides your comfortable lifestyle does not originate out of MCI or TUL. The funds that pay you originate out here on the line. If things go badly out here, sooner or later it will have bad effects on you. Poor morale and performance out here can threaten the existance of the company, even as you belive that you are coasting comfortably along.

Out here on the line we have no objections to you guys living like kings, we only object to you forcing us to live like peasents.All we ask of you is to be willing to let us fight for a reasonable wage for what we do. If you dont want to fight for more then allow regional pay to be put in place. Overhaul has consistantly taken your attitude of, "hey I'm doing Ok". Thats fine, but you should at least give us, your union brothers a chance to share with you how what is acceptable to you will effect us. I believe that if we could that a large percentage of truly union minded members at overhaul would realize that "hey, these guys have a point".

You are right, I too have a family. However after 25 years in the business I find that I may be forced to leave it and start all over again because people like you feel that if this wage is good enough for you in MCI that its good enough for me in NY.

Part of the blame for this has to go to the union and the structure we are in. A structure that will not change. I see AMFA as a chance for the future. Not just for me, but for all our class and craft.


Do I consider AMFA a threat? You betcha! I'll be the first to admit it. I want no part of it and will fight to keep it out of my livlihood.

Why do you see AMFA as a threat? The fact is that AMFA represents more of our class and craft than any other union now. Why do you feel that a democratic, accountable craft union that is focused upon our profession is a threat to our profession? Do you see ALPA or the APA as a threat to pilots? The fact is that AMFA is the fastest growing union in the industry and there is a reason for this. Mechanics when given the choice choose to be represented by one of their own.