Members Walk The Floors In Tulsa!

[Checking it Out]

Rusty what % does the 6000 equal in total numbers of Members (36,000+) and who (Union/association) currently has the highest % on Layoff right now?

 

[MCI transplant]

easy Raptor...my point being you will abide by the rules while on your little endeavor of promoting another union....and I'll be done when I say I'm done. It's easy to sit back and call names...and those really hurt me bad...how will I ever face my kids again after all that...you big meanie you....and as far as my employment goes ..no big deal..I will go find another job and life will go on..you are the one crying here...not me. I have faith in my own abilities to seek a job...by the way..I already have 2376 days on furlough..haven't lost a payday yet...

I guess those of you who have never been involved in a furlough are distraught...well get over it...life does go on and I'll still be on this BB to laugh at peeps like Raptor...

Steve---- If your going to be the self-appointed spokesman for the TWU, I wish you wouldn't us the old TWA Logo! It implies all of us here at MCI, a nd all ex-TWA employees, agree with yor viewpoints! Which believe me sir, is not the case!!!!!!!! :down:

 

[Steve Connell]

Steve---- If your going to be the self-appointed spokesman for the TWU, I wish you wouldn't us the old TWA Logo! It implies all of us here at MCI, a nd all ex-TWA employees, agree with yor viewpoints! Which believe me sir, is not the case!!!!!!!!

...like I give a hoot what you think of my logos, next time I update my logos I'll make sure to get your approval ...and no where did I self-appoint anything, I state my beliefs and concerns...nothing more. Your wanting to read into more than what is actually posted is your perogative, but I see that a lot here...they call it spinning..and we have the best spin doctors in house here.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Steve,

Thanks for your quotes, I under-estimated its effect, we got 23 more cards today thanks to you. Keep up the good work pal.

 

[twuer]

in AAMECH's post, speaking about Dell. . .

He does not want to lose his six figure salary! He desperatly needs the dues money the AA mech's can provide him!



You mean Dell makes a six figure salary??? That's an outrage!!

Those AMFA boys don't want to look at the reality of AMFA do they AAMECH?! They just complain about everyone else and the salaries of the TWU leaders. And Dell doesn't have half of the dues payers that the TWU leaders have. How does that work??? Another case of "corporate greed" if you will.

 

[Raptor]

Drippy I am not from MCI so I will not get an oppertunity to say it to steve in person, if he were in Tulsa I would call him a RAT BOY to his face, I mean hey if that is what you are about then hey what is the problem, do the AMFA guys rat out the TWU guys, I bet not as I have not seen any posts from an AMFA supporter saying he would RAT out a TWU supporter because that is not what we are about, We are about Democracy if the majority of our craft and class want to change Unions then so be it, the TWU should not be trying to stop them, if the majority do not want a different Union then also so be it, Lets let the members decide this issue once and for all, I was against the concession and I was very upset when it passed but the majority wanted it and that was Democracy so I will have to live with it.
Democracy does not allways go the way we want it to but it is the best system we have so instead of RATTING people out for handing out information, why don't we let the members get information from both sides and then they can decide what they want to do.
and whoever wins, some will not like it just as some do not like the concession, but we will just have to make the best of it.
I say let Democracy take its course and the majority will get what they want, and as long as the winning Union takes care of business to the satisfaction of the membership there will not be a need to vote on different representation again.

 

[Rusty]

in AAMECH's post, speaking about Dell. . .

He does not want to lose his six figure salary! He desperatly needs the dues money the AA mech's can provide him!



You mean Dell makes a six figure salary??? That's an outrage!!

Those AMFA boys don't want to look at the reality of AMFA do they AAMECH?! They just complain about everyone else and the salaries of the TWU leaders. And Dell doesn't have half of the dues payers that the TWU leaders have. How does that work??? Another case of "corporate greed" if you will.

Delle makes twice a mechanics pay (200%)!!! I heard the TWU was trying to spread this at the first and second membership meetings. Wonder how come you didn't mention it in the afternoon meeting????? LMAO Is it because there were AMFA supporters there or was it because you thought it was not worth mentioning. BWAAHAHAHA

Lets see Delle is the president of a Craft and Class union for eight (8) Airlines. Now I wonder how his pay compares to Jim Little's pay. Lets see last I heard his pay is figured on the average heavily weighted pay increases, with no downside for concessionary contracts. Jim Littles pay promotes starting people at the lowest pay possible and then taking them up to a higher pay (Thus the 10 to 15 year pay progression).

Lets see now a union president (Delle) makes a contractual 200% of mechanics pay and if there are concessions he takes a pay cut.

Lets see now a union president (Jim Little) makes 200k plus, and does not take a pay cut for a concessionary contracts. Do the words Shared Sacrifice come to mind. Maybe you should have thought about the downside of your lies, before shooting them out there.

At present Little makes over 200,000$ a year around 50,000$ more than Delle's pay. If you are going to spread lies, might I suggest you spread something that cannot be proven. If you don't then we get more cards signed. lmao On the other hand keep up the great work!!!

Oh, by all means please put your findings in the informer. LMAO You guys are just cracking me up. ROTFLMAO

 

[Bob Owens]

in AAMECH's post, speaking about Dell. . .

He does not want to lose his six figure salary! He desperatly needs the dues money the AA mech's can provide him!



You mean Dell makes a six figure salary??? That's an outrage!!

Those AMFA boys don't want to look at the reality of AMFA do they AAMECH?! They just complain about everyone else and the salaries of the TWU leaders. And Dell doesn't have half of the dues payers that the TWU leaders have. How does that work??? Another case of "corporate greed" if you will.

Well thats no worse than Bobby Gless who set himself up with $97/yr to look at porno, play vidieo games, paint his house, fix his boat, look up car parts on E-Bay etc all day while complaining to the members how "tired" he was.

Then there were those extracurricular activities that generated all those phone messages and FAXs from "Nashville".

Tough job.

 

[Rusty]

Rusty my math is just fine, if you want to use the 10% figure thats okay! The math I was using was the goal you wantabes set before an election. It still means the same thing.

Also the math you are using is a little distorted, The fact is 4500+ is on layoff at United and 4500+ missing at NWA. interpretation of what that means is different at Amfa. But the truth is they are unemployed.

The difference is the Members at AA took a choice to keep our language in tact and keep more members employed.

http://www.air-mechanic.com/video/layoffwmv.wmv

 

[RUM@AA]

Steve---- If your going to be the self-appointed spokesman for the TWU, I wish you wouldn't us the old TWA Logo! It implies all of us here at MCI, a nd all ex-TWA employees, agree with yor viewpoints! Which believe me sir, is not the case!!!!!!!!

...like I give a hoot what you think of my logos, next time I update my logos I'll make sure to get your approval ...and no where did I self-appoint anything, I state my beliefs and concerns...nothing more. Your wanting to read into more than what is actually posted is your perogative, but I see that a lot here...they call it spinning..and we have the best spin doctors in house here.

Hey Steve, we got your number. Go earn yourself an A&P and see if your views don't change.

And BTW, keep using those TWA logos. It shows how much you like to live in the past. Just like your ideas on unionism...old, out-dated, DEFUNKED.

 

[RV4]

in AAMECH's post, speaking about Dell. . .

He does not want to lose his six figure salary! He desperatly needs the dues money the AA mech's can provide him!



You mean Dell makes a six figure salary??? That's an outrage!!

Those AMFA boys don't want to look at the reality of AMFA do they AAMECH?! They just complain about everyone else and the salaries of the TWU leaders. And Dell doesn't have half of the dues payers that the TWU leaders have. How does that work??? Another case of "corporate greed" if you will.

Hey tunnel vision,

The way it works is this, if Delle negotiates a concession, he takes a concession.

How much was sellout Little Jim's shared sacrifice concession? ZIPPO, nada!

 

[Bob Owens]

Hey Steve, we got your number. Go earn yourself an A&P and see if your views don't change.

And BTW, keep using those TWA logos. It shows how much you like to live in the past. Just like your ideas on unionism...old, out-dated, DEFUNKED.

Steve's idea of Unionism was never "in date", he is a "Company Unionist". Company Unions were always despicable. I doubt that he ever voted for the TWU, the company he worked for determined his union, and he supports that. Where is his loyalty to the IAM? Apparently he was loyal to them as long as TWA told him to be, now he uses the same reason to be loyal to the TWU.

For many years the TWU/ATD was a real union, they believed in the workers and they fought for and led them into the battle for higher wages and benifits. In 1946, here at AA the mechanics booted out a company union that was pretending to be a craft union. They replaced it with an industrial union and everyone benifited. However those days are long gone. Now we have a Craft union that is poised to boot out a company union pretending to be an industrial union. The circle is nearly complete. The sole employee who was here for the 1946 vote to bring in the TWU has filled out an AMFA card to get rid of the TWU! When he saw what was going on with our contract and how the International came down on our local he said "Enough, we need a change".

The TWU has become a business, a business that has entered into a profitable arrangement with several employers to maximize dues flow. Whether its the largest airline (AA) or the most profitable airline (SWA) you will find that TWU represented employees make much less than their counterparts at other carriers(Mechanics at AA, Flight attendants at SWA).

 

[j7915]

in AAMECH's post, speaking about Dell. . .

He does not want to lose his six figure salary! He desperatly needs the dues money the AA mech's can provide him!



You mean Dell makes a six figure salary??? That's an outrage!!

Those AMFA boys don't want to look at the reality of AMFA do they AAMECH?! They just complain about everyone else and the salaries of the TWU leaders. And Dell doesn't have half of the dues payers that the TWU leaders have. How does that work??? Another case of "corporate greed" if you will.

Hey tunnel vision,

The way it works is this, if Delle negotiates a concession, he takes a concession.

How much was sellout Little Jim's shared sacrifice concession? ZIPPO, nada!

That is why Delle will not take concessions and protect member's jobs. It would cut his pay.

Why is it that everyone wants change but points to the other guy as the reason for doing the same?

TWU charges too much for union dues and spends them on political issues. Fine then why does AMFA collect the same amount, 2 hours pay, when AMFA does not engage in any activities except directly representing the members at negotiating time? The rest of the time it seems that the great virtue of AMFA is the independence of the locals and the members' control. I understand that sort of means each local acts by itself and station managers can push the envelope.

 

[Checking it Out]

Bob Wrote:The TWU has become a business, a business that has entered into a profitable arrangement with several employers to maximize dues flow. Whether its the largest airline (AA) or the most profitable airline (SWA) you will find that TWU represented employees make much less than their counterparts at other carriers(Mechanics at AA, Flight attendants at SWA).

Bob please explain the difference when you have delle coming to a meeting passing out $20 dollars cigars and The $800,000 a year income McCormick wearing $2000 dollar suits? What is the difference? Is this where the extra money is going?

 

[RV4]

Why is it that everyone wants change but points to the other guy as the reason for doing the same?

TWU charges too much for union dues and spends them on political issues. Fine then why does AMFA collect the same amount, 2 hours pay, when AMFA does not engage in any activities except directly representing the members at negotiating time?

Having attorneys present in Arbitration would be more expensive and better representation than your regular mechanic off the box.

Moving Negotiations from town to town for observers would be more expensive.

Mailing direct election ballots for Constitutional Amendments and Direct Elections of National Officers would be more expensive.

Oh yeah, j7915, there are many better uses for the union dues than politics.