Local 514 Member Walked Out

[southwind]

Maybe they get breaks throughout the day and are being held during their 15 minute breaks. If so, then AA or any other company shouldn't be telling you what you can and can't do on YOUR break.

Just wondering. Are you getting paid for that 15 minute break ? Are you on company property during that 15 break ? Does it say in your contract you can hold union rally's on the clock , on company property ? Just wondering !

 

[eolesen]

I think the bigger issue was people leaving their work areas. It's one thing to do this in a break room which is next to your work area, but how many people were coming from different areas of the base over to the wash rack? My guess is that some guys were probably gone for 20-45 minutes, much more than a 15 minute break.

Another more cynical view is that having 200 people leaving their work areas for a pep rally isn't too different from a wildcat strike...

 

[TWU informer]

I think the bigger issue was people leaving their work areas. It's one thing to do this in a break room which is next to your work area, but how many people were coming from different areas of the base over to the wash rack? My guess is that some guys were probably gone for 20-45 minutes, much more than a 15 minute break.

Another more cynical view is that having 200 people leaving their work areas for a pep rally isn't too different from a wildcat strike...

AA has a well documented culture of this type of activity.

To name a few.

Every Friday at Tulsa a management Boardwallk is held in rotating areas where people gather during work hours for a management rally. Always at 11:00 am and mostly attended by management and grande sucko kulos, then they go on their lunch hour and over 2 hours total management time is lost. Every Friday!

On a regular basis we have had vendor days where vendors are allowed on the property and employees are encouraged to leave their work areas during the day to attend.

Blood Drive, announcements made to go give blood, never done on own time always on paid time t-shirts and food handed out.

Just before the Last T/A management allowed the TWU Union bus in the parking lot, and hats and t-shirts were given out during work hours without objection and with apporval.

Friday Morning, a P.A. system announcement was given to go to the flag pole at 0700, I attended and placed a US flag on the fence holder and was gone from my work area for nearly an hour. Paid Time not even break time.

My point is that just as with the AMFA Drive, AA managment creates a culture of tolerance and then singles out the events they don't agree with.

 

[787nightmare]

I think the bigger issue was people leaving their work areas. It's one thing to do this in a break room which is next to your work area, but how many people were coming from different areas of the base over to the wash rack? My guess is that some guys were probably gone for 20-45 minutes, much more than a 15 minute break.


"Another more cynical view is that having 200 people leaving their work areas for a pep rally isn't too different from a wildcat strike...".......…

which is precisely what this Co needs at
this juncture. While I was in MSP or DTW, the NWA guys wouldve closed there toolboxes or sat down in the breakrooms until HR returned said mech back to Wk.

He'll in EU, they'd ALL probably go home until singled out mech was returned to his post.

This Cos mgt swaggers and struts around with a smirk on there faces for one reason........they KNOW they've got holes blown ALL in our "contract"-that they're free to
navigate through at will. What a joke...

 

[eolesen]

AA has a well documented culture of this type of activity.

To name a few.

Every Friday at Tulsa a management Boardwallk is held in rotating areas where people gather during work hours for a management rally. Always at 11:00 am and mostly attended by management and grande sucko kulos, then they go on their lunch hour and over 2 hours total management time is lost. Every Friday!

On a regular basis we have had vendor days where vendors are allowed on the property and employees are encouraged to leave their work areas during the day to attend.

Blood Drive, announcements made to go give blood, never done on own time always on paid time t-shirts and food handed out.

Just before the Last T/A management allowed the TWU Union bus in the parking lot, and hats and t-shirts were given out during work hours without objection and with apporval.

Friday Morning, a P.A. system announcement was given to go to the flag pole at 0700, I attended and placed a US flag on the fence holder and was gone from my work area for nearly an hour. Paid Time not even break time.

My point is that just as with the AMFA Drive, AA managment creates a culture of tolerance and then singles out the events they don't agree with.

Well, duh. Management is allowed to single out the events they will let people leave their work area for. That's their right. Some guy inviting people to the wash rack for a "reading of the grievances" isn't going to be a sanctioned event. Maybe during Festivus you could get away with it, but not every Wednesday.

 

[Observer]

Well, duh. Management is allowed to single out the events they will let people leave their work area for. That's their right. Some guy inviting people to the wash rack for a "reading of the grievances" isn't going to be a sanctioned event. Maybe during Festivus you could get away with it, but not every Wednesday.

please do not try to interject common sense into a senseless situation. Want a rally, do it where you have the right to do it, in front of the front gate coming into the base.

 

[strikeforce]

AA has a well documented culture of this type of activity.

To name a few.

Every Friday at Tulsa a management Boardwallk is held in rotating areas where people gather during work hours for a management rally. Always at 11:00 am and mostly attended by management and grande sucko kulos, then they go on their lunch hour and over 2 hours total management time is lost. Every Friday!

On a regular basis we have had vendor days where vendors are allowed on the property and employees are encouraged to leave their work areas during the day to attend.

Blood Drive, announcements made to go give blood, never done on own time always on paid time t-shirts and food handed out.

Just before the Last T/A management allowed the TWU Union bus in the parking lot, and hats and t-shirts were given out during work hours without objection and with apporval.

Friday Morning, a P.A. system announcement was given to go to the flag pole at 0700, I attended and placed a US flag on the fence holder and was gone from my work area for nearly an hour. Paid Time not even break time.

My point is that just as with the AMFA Drive, AA managment creates a culture of tolerance and then singles out the events they don't agree with.

and, you're surprised by that? I'll bet that not ONE local 514 officials were part of the 200 members at the pep rally?? Next week you will get a letter from Gless denouncing the pep rallies....one to bet???? HR probably got concensus from 514 to walk Mead out.....ask your representatives if they knew about the walkout before AA did it.....I'll bet you they did! The company will do whatever they want and whatever benefits them to have an upper hand against US in negotiations.....with the INTL's blessing!

 

[strikeforce]

Hey TWU Informer.....you want to hold a pep rally, let me know where the INTL & AA are holding negotiations this week and I'll be more than happy to join the pep rally outside the hotel and then, we'll march right in and act as observers to the non-sense. Let me know!!! Better yet, how about the AMP group show up too!

 

[iluvaa]

Hey TWU Informer.....you want to hold a pep rally, let me know where the INTL & AA are holding negotiations this week and I'll be more than happy to join the pep rally outside the hotel and then, we'll march right in and act as observers to the non-sense. Let me know!!! Better yet, how about the AMP group show up too!

im in

 

[odie01]

Hey TWU Informer.....you want to hold a pep rally, let me know where the INTL & AA are holding negotiations this week and I'll be more than happy to join the pep rally outside the hotel and then, we'll march right in and act as observers to the non-sense. Let me know!!! Better yet, how about the AMP group show up too!

That's a good idea that should have been leaked out by our negotiating team months ago, this union just flat out SUCKS !

 

[tom barry]

Any takers....that AA/HR etc. would have given the situation "additional thought" before they walked-out a guy in the exact same circumstances, ..... if said AMT was in JFK ????????

 

[eolesen]

I'm sure that AA would have reacted quicker at a line station because it would as more prone to be disrupting operations.

 

[tom barry]

I'm sure that AA would have reacted quicker at a line station because it would as more prone to be disrupting operations.

I agree Eric, but having been at JFK yourself,I'm sure you know how "complicated" things could become
Very Quickly under the same actions taken by AA in TUL.

I'm very sure that in the 5 Widebody stations........JFK/ORD/MIA/DFW/LAX, AA management is More reluctant to....how shall I say.........."mess" with our friends along Rockaway Blvd, than the other 4 !

If by some miracle, our Amigo's in MIA ever....grew a pair.....things there could be similiar to NY. The boys in ORD tend to be for the most part, "Midwest nice". LAX is always in "La-La Land" .
As far as DFW goes,(and I said this a Zillion Times) There are no TRUE Union men in states like TX and OK !

 

[Buck]

My whole aviation career has been with AA at TUL. It is my opinion that not knowing exactly what happened in the case of Dennis Meade, I believe that it is very possible that the company could have walked him for another reason. That being that the company wanted to settle a different issue, like an overtime grievance or something similar. While it could be something completely different, it is not beyond the company or the union settle issues with another issue. I think I made my point in more words than I intended, hey maybe no one will scold me over this post.

 

[Buck]

TWU Informer:

To my knowledge the weekly rally has never been directed at the Union and wasn't even within this discussion until Buck entered into the thread.

Nothing except the subtitle to your thread.

Local 514 Member Walked Out For Holding Union Rally