IAM Thread for the week of 2/19-2/26

[Tim Nelson]

Have you ever considered the fact that maybe the company negotiator for UA might have been more acomadating than the idiots that our team has to deal with at US.
You continue to say that Cannale is a company lap dog, well he may be. Im more inclined to think its the company stupid. You can only go as far as this company is willing to go.

Listen Fuzz, Boss Canale was up against the same negotiator as all the other groups on the property so explain to me why fleet service got hosed over with the 60 day rule and other fleet service exclusive rules? Explain to me why Canale signed that last garbage that screwed over those affected with the 60 day rule? Explain to me why Boss Canale has now shelved your section 6 negotiations for 2 years and agreed with the company that section 6 wasn't necessary.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Theo Corner]

Have you ever considered the fact that maybe the company negotiator for UA might have been more acomadating than the idiots that our team has to deal with at US.
You continue to say that Cannale is a company lap dog, well he may be. Im more inclined to think its the company stupid. You can only go as far as this company is willing to go.

Just because the company will no longer move their position does not mean you have to keep taking the company's side. Canale is saying we cannot do any better because of the financial situation of the airline industry. It is not his job to state the companies side, it is his job to try and get the best contract period! Let Dougie state the company's problems and financial perils. It is not our problem that the company wants to step over a dollar to pick up a dime, that is the company's problem. What we do not need is for Canale to pick the dollar up and hand it back to Doug. Canale needs to pick up that dollar and hand it to Fleet Service.

JMHO

h34r:

 

[The Shocker]

Listen Fuzz, Boss Canale was up against the same negotiator as all the other groups on the property so explain to me why fleet service got hosed over with the 60 day rule and other fleet service exclusive rules? Explain to me why Canale signed that last garbage that screwed over those affected with the 60 day rule? Explain to me why Boss Canale has now shelved your section 6 negotiations for 2 years and agreed with the company that section 6 wasn't necessary.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

The 60 rule was eliminated on the T/A we voted down?

 

[JoeDirt]

The 60 rule was eliminated on the T/A we voted down?

No it was not for the ones already out on the street. It only applied to future furloughs.


Try again

Swing and a miss

Strike one

 

[The Shocker]

No it was not for the ones already out on the street. It only applied to future furloughs.


Try again

Swing and a miss

Strike one

It applied to those on the street within the sixty days. No more sixty days for the rest of us, it was eliminated.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It applied to those on the street within the sixty days. No more sixty days for the rest of us, it was eliminated.

It was not. those hard working labor men who were screwed by canale were doubly screwed by him when Boss Canale decided to agree with the company to wish those workers into never never land. What labor man would ever sign away to permanently screw over a few hundred hard working members who sacrificed to keep this company afloat. We are coming for Randy in June.

We must not forget about those affected by the 60 day rule. And we must not agree to 'time bomb' negotiations in screw over another 19 stations. Randy is good at eliminating older members for new hires. He's been good at preserving the IAM membership numbers.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Henderfuzz]

No it was not for the ones already out on the street. It only applied to future furloughs.


Try again

Swing and a miss

Strike one

This is true however it did remove it for any other furloughs.
The only way your going to bring back those who were furloughed they would most likely have to move to a new city. There are not that many out there anymore who would be willing to come back and move just to regain there job again.

 

[JoeDirt]

It applied to those on the street within the sixty days. No more sixty days for the rest of us, it was eliminated.

Strike Two

 

[Tim Nelson]

This is true however it did remove it for any other furloughs.
The only way your going to bring back those who were furloughed they would most likely have to move to a new city. There are not that many out there anymore who would be willing to come back and move just to regain there job again.

you sound like Canale. The only way you can bring them back is if you stop kissing Al's pinky and recognize them. Bottom line.

Look, this doesn't affect me dude but I'll be darn if I'm going to forget about them. They are the reason why you have a freakn job right now.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[pit_till_death]

This is true however it did remove it for any other furloughs.
The only way your going to bring back those who were furloughed they would most likely have to move to a new city. There are not that many out there anymore who would be willing to come back and move just to regain there job again.

Shouldn't that be decided by the employee that is furloughed, not Canale?????? :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

[Theo Corner]

And to think, a few years ago when we first had to give up holidays I was called names and nearly thrown out of the informational meeting for saying I wanted to eliminate Labor Day instead of Good Friday because Canale no longer cared about labor.

The men who died in the early days of the the Labor movement must be spinning in their graves at the mess the whole "Industry of Unionism" has become. Screw the working man is the new chant at District 141!

Maybe we should send a copy of the movie Hoffa to Canoli... Hoffa may have been a crook and in with the mob, but by God he still fought hard for the men in his union!

h34r:

 

[JoeDirt]

Shouldn't that be decided by the employee that is furloughed, not Canale?????? :angry: :angry: :angry:

Yes it should be their choice. Many others have moved to keep their jobs.

 

[Tim Nelson]

DL 141 Update: EWR

EWR united local went with Delaney. Canale didn't get a vote. The whole New Direction slate won in this decent sized United station.

The NEW DIRECTIONS TEAM continues to build momentum with medium to small cities voting for it this week.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Henderfuzz]

It was not. those hard working labor men who were screwed by canale were doubly screwed by him when Boss Canale decided to agree with the company to wish those workers into never never land. What labor man would ever sign away to permanently screw over a few hundred hard working members who sacrificed to keep this company afloat. We are coming for Randy in June.

We must not forget about those affected by the 60 day rule. And we must not agree to 'time bomb' negotiations in screw over another 19 stations. Randy is good at eliminating older members for new hires. He's been good at preserving the IAM membership numbers.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

You know the one thing I dont undersatnd is you say Canale appoved this and that in the contract, but I wonder how many out there of you actually voted for this current contract. My guess is everyone of you did. I will tell you this I did not vote for this current contract and I voted to stike.
So just remember we are where we are becasue noone had ti guts back than to vote this contract down back than. Its a piece of crap and always has been thats why I could not vote for it.
Now did I vote for the T/A I did I feel it was a chance to move forward to even something better in the future, and give my west brothers a chance at a future since most are younger than I and have more work in there future.
So say all you want but we have what we have becasue we voted for it.

 

[The Shocker]

It was not. those hard working labor men who were screwed by canale were doubly screwed by him when Boss Canale decided to agree with the company to wish those workers into never never land. What labor man would ever sign away to permanently screw over a few hundred hard working members who sacrificed to keep this company afloat. We are coming for Randy in June.

We must not forget about those affected by the 60 day rule. And we must not agree to 'time bomb' negotiations in screw over another 19 stations. Randy is good at eliminating older members for new hires. He's been good at preserving the IAM membership numbers.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Check out the tentative on the DL 141 web-site for US page 4 & 5. Not sure how Canale would be good at eliminating older members when furloughs are done by seniority not age. 60 day rule was eliminated, we voted it down and took our chances with the arbitrator.