IAM Fleet Service topic

[Tim Nelson]

It is obvious to me that the conditions as to how one
votes are very important to the outcome of the vote.
If various stations do not have equal access to vote
IMO they are being dissenfranchized to a degree
which I believe should be challenged.

It's obvious to me also that both Canale and the LCC
are on the same side of this issue. As it stands right
now regardless of the outcome this will not be a fair
election. The last election had it's share of
inequities but was not challenged do to it's outcome.

One way or another this needs to be addressed, there
is still plenty of time for a pre-election remedy.

Thanks BF

BF,
Canale knows his 'april fools contract' appears to have a short life expectancy so he is scrambling for extra votes. His top dog in PHX, RR, has forced the vote in the breakrooms. COS has to drive 2 hours to Denver to vote. Most class 2 stations are also voting in the breakrooms to help counter the No votes from the class 1 stations. Class 1 stations are not being allowed to vote on the property. Nonetheless, I think a strong No vote is going to happen. What I would like is the bigger No vote the better.

I think it is a 'slap in the face' of both CLT and PHL as Canale is trying to 'silence' both CLT and PHL by not providing the same priviliges of voting in the breakroom. Hemenway himself has not disapproved of PHX voting in the breakroom and that should tell everyone something.

As far as filing anything, that's not going to happen. This vote will either be a thumbs up or thumbs down on May 8th and I'm hoping with a big turnout from class 1's, LAS, and all the other west stations that are voting No that we can once again silence PHX and the vote yes crowd.
To accomplish this, PHL and CLT must be running vans and get out a big turnout. And the west stations must do their part and drive to the local [no matter how far].

In any case, we must all come together after this vote. No crying allowed.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[roabilly]

FLEET....COC CAN BE UNEQUIVOCALLY DETERMINED!
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OK… Ya’ll…

I came up with a final, undebatable, and unequivocal solution to the much disputed COC/CIC issue!

This can be settled once and for all… right here in this open forum for all to see!
Just click on the link at the bottom of this post, and submit your questions about COC directly to the… IAM District 141!

Several of my coworkers have done this, and have received no… I repeat… NO response!

Just ask them (The 141) the following questions…

Should, US Airways Fleet Service be concerned about relinquishing the Change Of Control language (COC) contained in our current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), by ratifying the current Transition Agreement (T/A) Proposal?

Does the current COC language, have any legal validity in a United Airlines Acquisition of US Airways?

Where did the COC language originate? What legal firm is responsible for drafting the language?

Good Luck…

http://www.iam141.org/usairway.htm

P.S. Jester, and Freedom… this would be a good joint... exploratory adventure for you guys to share with us in this forum.

Ohhhh… I almost forgot… Mr. Farce… I (Roabilly) hereby, personally challenge you… to answer all three of these questions in order! Please provide objective, unbiased responses to each question. (Yer… Buddy… Roabilly.)

 

[JoeDirt]

Roabilly
Questions submitted now lets see if I get a response.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Looks like LAS is the new PIT.....


"Workers are told hub operation for connections to end"


Good luck to all of you, Having been through it myself, I truly do feel for you.....

Everyone, and I mean everyone better be thinking long and hard about voting yes for this TA....

This is just the beginning......

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/apr/3...-vegas-flights/

 

[roabilly]

Roabilly
Questions submitted now lets see if I get a response.

Hear yahh Dirt...

Let us... in this here forum know, buy posting yer response from the 141...
(that is if you get one) for everyone here to see!

O-Man...

Yew onboard?

 

[Knobeast]

this is not the end for LAS, I work there, first, we don't get hub pay. cause were not a "hub"
2nd- the cts are'nt coming till AUG...... and last, we must have a least 300 part time westies that
don't care as long as they can get on a plane....................

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

this is not the end for LAS, I work there, first, we don't get hub pay. cause were not a "hub"
2nd- the cts are'nt coming till AUG...... and last, we must have a least 300 part time westies that
don't care as long as they can get on a plane....................

I didn't say it was the end, just the new PIT....

This management knows only 1 thing........CUT CAPACITY...they no longer have anything left in PIT, so they have to go somewhere else...Looks like it's going to be LAS,
...

PIT, in it's heyday had over 530 flts. a day and 1200 Fleet Service Workers, it has now been reduced to mere rubble with around 50 flts. and around 200 Fleet Workers..

It was a long slow process, but it's like a cancer.... Every schedule change comes flt. cuts, may not seem like much 3-5 here/ 10-12 there and next thing you know there is little left..

All this is going on and there has not even been a merger yet.

Like I said before

Good luck to all, I know the drill. I have lived it.

 

[JoeDirt]

this is not the end for LAS, I work there, first, we don't get hub pay. cause were not a "hub"
2nd- the cts are'nt coming till AUG...... and last, we must have a least 300 part time westies that
don't care as long as they can get on a plane....................

Knob
What is this "Hub" pay you speak of?

 

[Rook]

Well it is said that SW is now putting more and more flts each day into LAS so what esle is new US always runs from SW even when they come into US own backyard.

 

[Districtforce]

FLEET....COC CAN BE UNEQUIVOCALLY DETERMINED!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

OK… Ya’ll…

I came up with a final, undebatable, and unequivocal solution to the much disputed COC/CIC issue!

This can be settled once and for all… right here in this open forum for all to see!
Just click on the link at the bottom of this post, and submit your questions about COC directly to the… IAM District 141!

Several of my coworkers have done this, and have received no… I repeat… NO response!

Just ask them (The 141) the following questions…

Should, US Airways Fleet Service be concerned about relinquishing the Change Of Control language (COC) contained in our current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), by ratifying the current Transition Agreement (T/A) proposal?

Does the current COC language, have any legal validity in a United Airlines Acquisition of US Airways?

Where did the COC language originate? What legal firm is responsible for drafting the language?

Good Luck…

http://www.iam141.org/usairway.htm

P.S. Jester, and Freedom… this would be a good joint... exploratory adventure for you guys to share with us in this forum.

Ohhhh… I almost forgot… Mr. Farce… I (Roabilly) hereby, personally challenge you… to answer all three of these questions in order! Please provide objective, unbiased responses to each question. (Yer… Buddy… Roabilly.)

The validity of it is certain. This language was not just pasted in your contract like Nelson said. We demanded this language in return for the many sacrifices that our members took. We also made sure that the pay parity rate would never be able to go down. Your pay would be the same pay as your last pay parity raise if the United merger were to trigger it. Plus 4.5% for 3 addtional years and also 4.5% for an ammendable year. Your company wanted it since it is a stumblingblock to any merger.

As I have said, a ratification of this agreement will allow our members at US AIRWAYS to participate in the United merger and position them to bargain in 2011 for the best contract in the industry. A rejection of this tentative would force fleet service backwards, back to the table, but we will honor the memberships vote, however, we can not guarantee that the company will come back to the table. I can also tell you that your company will refuse to sign any enhanced contract that keeps the CIC in it and will never sign a contract that keeps the same protections for the west. I wouldn't listen to anyone telling you that you will be able to enhance your contract and keep the west scope and CIC language.

A ratification of this agreement will allow you to live to fight another day. If your company goes chapter 7 then what employment line are you going to stand in? You have the opportunity to be employees of United airlines and enjoy future wages and benefits through traditional negotiations after 2011.
Who knows what will happen if you vote this down. Will United risk the CIC? Will they want to pursue a merger if it has to recognize a couple more dozen stations out west? I've been in this business for quite a while and I don't think I would want to be the one putting 8,000 families on the line with some hedge bet that United will still want to close a deal with US AIRWAYS. The CIC will give leverage but at what cost of jobs and will your airline even be around to pay one penny? Can I tell you that your company will increase its offer if you vote this down? No. But it is absolutely critical that fleet service supports this agreement if it wants to have the opportunity to bargain with the biggest airline in the world.
You need to be respectful of the current price of oil and your company's stock. Your airline is in no position to stand alone. And no airline in this environment can sustain wages for fleet service that will go up to $25 in a few years. And if your company does come back to the table, how much longer will the west have to stay under their current wages? Is it fair to them? Ask PHX if that is fair.

Randy Canale provided you with a choice. He believes, and I agree, that now isn't the time to fight. In 2011, you will be positioned to join in traditional bargaining. Does Randy like the CIC being gone? The west scope being gone? If you ask him I can guarantee you his answer will be no. But he understands the opportunity that a merger presents and the roadblock that the scope and CIC will cause. But it bears repeating, your company is a cost neutral bargainer and this means if you want something that you must give something else up.

 

[Districtforce]

Looks like LAS is the new PIT.....


"Workers are told hub operation for connections to end"


Good luck to all of you, Having been through it myself, I truly do feel for you.....

Everyone, and I mean everyone better be thinking long and hard about voting yes for this TA....

This is just the beginning......

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/apr/3...-vegas-flights/

And what if you vote no? What then? Bankruptcy? Chapter 7? Your company can not stand alone.
Mergers are not pretty and no matter how you slice it there will be reduced capacity and hub closures. The idea is to protect as many jobs as you can by positioning your company for the future. Randy Canale could have held on to the CIC and west scope and asked for contract enhancements but your company never would have signed it due to merger implications. All of you now know a merger will take place and you must determine if you want to be a part of United airlines and position for traditonal bargaining in 2011 with the biggest airline in the world. There will be job loss in such an event but many jobs will be preserved. Or you could reject the contract, keep the CIC and protect the west scope, and risk 8,000 jobs since your company may be without a merger partner. Will you take that responsibility?

 

[JoeDirt]

Mr. Force
You continually reinforce something a lot of us have been saying all along. The company wants/needs something from us. If as you say that this might de-rail the merger then so be it. The blame should be placed squarely where it belongs and that would be in the companys lap.
The company under estimated our resolve. If as you say that the company is a "cost neutral bargainer" then maybe they should rethink their position. You have also said we should take this to "live to fight another day". Please tell me how long do we have to live to do this fighting. We were told this before and now you want us to push this day till 2011. What then? There will be another excuse and we will be told to "live to fight another day". Well for your information we have decided that day has arrived and we will be making our stand now.

 

[roabilly]

Mr. Farce…

I respect your timely… response…

However… you have failed to answer the specific questions regarding COC…

We (Fleet) understand the afore mentioned Industry Consolidation Scenarios… Please be specific…Please…answer each of my (our) questions in numeric order.

 

[JoeDirt]

And what if you vote no? What then? Bankruptcy? Chapter 7? Your company can not stand alone.
Mergers are not pretty and no matter how you slice it there will be reduced capacity and hub closures. The idea is to protect as many jobs as you can by positioning your company for the future. Randy Canale could have held on to the CIC and west scope and asked for contract enhancements but your company never would have signed it due to merger implications. All of you now know a merger will take place and you must determine if you want to be a part of United airlines and position for traditonal bargaining in 2011 with the biggest airline in the world. There will be job loss in such an event but many jobs will be preserved. Or you could reject the contract, keep the CIC and protect the west scope, and risk 8,000 jobs since your company may be without a merger partner. Will you take that responsibility?

I have said it before and will say it again. The company will be responsibile not us. They had the opportunity to come up with a fair T/A and they chose not to do so. Instead they chose to gamble on this POS and their bet was not well placed.

 

[mike33]

As I have said, a ratification of this agreement will allow our members at US AIRWAYS to participate in the United merger and position them to bargain in 2011 for the best contract in the industry. A rejection of this tentative would force fleet service backwards, back to the table, but we will honor the memberships vote, however, we can not guarantee that the company will come back to the table. I can also tell you that your company will refuse to sign any enhanced contract that keeps the CIC in it and will never sign a contract that keeps the same protections for the west.


If your company goes chapter 7 then what employment line are you going to stand in? You have the opportunity to be employees of United airlines and enjoy future wages and benefits through traditional negotiations after 2011.
I've been in this business for quite a while and I don't think I would want to be the one putting 8,000 families on the line with some hedge bet that United will still want to close a deal with US AIRWAYS. The CIC will give leverage but at what cost of jobs and will your airline even be around to pay one penny? Can I tell you that your company will increase its offer if you vote this down? No. But it is absolutely critical that fleet service supports this agreement if it wants to have the opportunity to bargain with the biggest airline in the world.
You need to be respectful of the current price of oil and your company's stock. Your airline is in no position to stand alone. And no airline in this environment can sustain wages for fleet service that will go up to $25 in a few years.

Randy Canale provided ( BS...he set us up for a choice) you with a choice.

DF
You need to come up with some new material. You're getting old with this IAM stuff about giving us a choice. HE SET US UP FOR A CHOICE! This company has $3 billion in the bank. Fair and Equitable with respect............You know what that is? I don't think you do.

You ever wonder why CO backed out of the UA talks? You think it was because they could go it alone?
I think they saw the UA books and said " Hey wait a minute, they got problems". CIC has more value than we realize. This TA will go down I hope and we will be back at the table. The only question is will AL and RC hide behind closed doors.