IAM Fleet Service topic

[700UW]

No they did not, the CBA was abrogated by Judge Mitchell, and the company offered a final offer to fleet and you all ratified it.

 

[freedom]

Freedom, this new TA sux. Nuff said.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

But it DOES addresses some of the more pressing issues within fleet ..

For starters it gets rid of the 60 day rule ,

It brings up the class two stations and the west …

It raises the pay scale for everyone

You no longer have to work 19 years to get your third paid week of vacation .

You gain two more paid holidays

The amount of time that you have to bank in order to get paid out at 100% decreases …..

Double time makes a comeback

Etc …..


Tim , for some of you with long memories this sux … BUT let me ask you , this being the future and all , with all of the major airlines having gone BK at one time or another …. What do you expect ?


Furthermore , how is our fleet service to expect to get anything more , when our union isn’t even willing to put in an ounce of effort to achieve anything ?

Just read WTF clt’s response to our PHX union and the role that protesting/fighting/participation have in a union … his response is too put it on the union leaders …..

Our union members don’t seeming willing or able to take personal responsibility on themselves to actually do the major things that union members need to do in order to secure a better contract …

With only 50% participation in the last TA , how will you on the east ever HOPE of getting enough votes to authorize a strike vote ? It’s HIGHLY unlikely ….

The change of control has little value …

Then there are the current factors within the economy which I won’t even waste my breath on ….


Tell me Tim , if this contract SUX , how will the new negotiators top this ?

EDIT: opps , silly me , i forgot to mention the 250 millon first quarter loss of our company !

 

[Hadenough]

The union that we pay failed us. They used terms like "Live to fight another day" and misled everyone. They had no intention of fighting another day. The NCs of the past were lapdogs for the company.

 

[freedom]

So perhaps we had poor leaders , or perhas they sugar coated the honest truth so it would be less bitter to swallow ...


Poor leaders or not , this contract seems fair considering the current state of things , furthremore i'd like to remind everyone that Ron Roth sat in on the talks for the previous TA (if my poor memory serves me correct ) he's not a poor leader and he's one to be trusted , if he thought it was a good idea to sign it , then it was and continues to be a good idea ...


(now you'll hate on RR )

For our RR haters .... you haven't put in nearly the amount of time or effort RR has for this memebership so you can stop typing now ...

 

[freedom]

Rat,
Thats the best comic of the week!
You see Canale uses rusty,worn and broken nails in which anyone with intelligence can pry open and expose the lousy contents which he hides. I know Tim well and when something is as bad for Fleet Service as this TA he will fight day and night to get the message out to the rank and file. I thank him and others on this board who want real justice for Fleet Service in a fair TA that provides us with above Non Union wages not Below them! A Contract that protects small cities not eliminate them! A contract that makes me proud to be a union member not embarassed. A contract that gives the workers Respect Dignity something the company and Canale refuse to let you have.

That's strange , i don't recall seeing you on the protest line ? did i miss you at one of the rallies ? We're you and tim at one of the rallies and i missed you ? well considering all the years that we've had to protest and rally and have work actions , i suppose it's only reasonable that i'd forget or miss certain people ....

Stay strong brother ! you'll show them who's boss!

 

[Districtforce]

District Force,
Why hasn't the IAM just transitioned the west into the east contract like other airline mergers?

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

It's not that easy. Ideally, transitioning a group into the surviving contract would be the chosen path. However, this option was not available due to the concessions and job losses that our west members would suffer. Only by opening up the east agreement and increasing wages did we have the ability to transition the west.

If this contract is voted down, we'll go back to the table and start all over again but we can't force your company back to the table.

More importantly, it is critical to the survival of your company that you ratify your agreement. I have been upfront with you with my anticipation of a merger and now with all the media reports it is upon you. Now is not the time to pound your chest, you will be much stronger when you position yourself for traditional bargaining in 2011.

 

[freedom]

you know , he's right ....

if you don't accept this TA that gives strength to most of fleet


like we in the west , by the time it even gets close to getting a new TA , you'll be so strapped in the wallet that you will BEG for whatever they will give you ...


Also if this contract is voted down i fully expect our union to allow the west to vote to transition into the East's contract ...the president and this company have stated that they would work toward those ends ...

failure to do so shall result in a DFR suit .....

 

[Hadenough]

So perhaps we had poor leaders , or perhas they sugar coated the honest truth so it would be less bitter to swallow ...


Poor leaders or not , this contract seems fair considering the current state of things , furthremore i'd like to remind everyone that Ron Roth sat in on the talks for the previous TA (if my poor memory serves me correct ) he's not a poor leader and he's one to be trusted , if he thought it was a good idea to sign it , then it was and continues to be a good idea ...


(now you'll hate on RR )

For our RR haters .... you haven't put in nearly the amount of time or effort RR has for this memebership so you can stop typing now ...

Freedom
My post was not directed at RR. I was talking about during the past before the merger. Its one of the reasons we ended up with the 60 day rule in the first place.

 

[mike33]

So perhaps we had poor leaders , or perhas they sugar coated the honest truth so it would be less bitter to swallow ...


Poor leaders or not , this contract seems fair considering the current state of things , furthremore i'd like to remind everyone that Ron Roth sat in on the talks for the previous TA (if my poor memory serves me correct ) he's not a poor leader and he's one to be trusted , if he thought it was a good idea to sign it , then it was and continues to be a good idea ...


(now you'll hate on RR )

For our RR haters .... you haven't put in nearly the amount of time or effort RR has for this memebership so you can stop typing now ...

It's not the fact that anyone hates RR for hate is a strong word, freedom, that you seem to use rather off the lip. Do you hate? Don't appologize for saying it, It's already been said. You can't change that now.
It's about RR only caring about RR and PHX and not the FS SYSTEM at Usairways.

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

It's not that easy. Ideally, transitioning a group into the surviving contract would be the chosen path. However, this option was not available due to the concessions and job losses that our west members would suffer. Only by opening up the east agreement and increasing wages did we have the ability to transition the west.

If this contract is voted down, we'll go back to the table and start all over again but we can't force your company back to the table.

More importantly, it is critical to the survival of your company that you ratify your agreement. I have been upfront with you with my anticipation of a merger and now with all the media reports it is upon you. Now is not the time to pound your chest, you will be much stronger when you position yourself for traditional bargaining in 2011.

According to the propaganda on: http://www.iam141.org/q&a1.htm

It states this:
Q. In the event of a straight Transition Agreement does District 141 Bylaws or the IAM Constitution require a vote?

A. No. The East Agreement is the surviving agreement, and If no changes or amendments occur then no vote is required under the Bylaws or IAM Constitution.

So which one is the disinformation statement? Yours or the IAM website?

I believe will be in a much stronger position for traditional bargaining in 2009 with our United Brothers. I believe their contract is amenable in “09?

 

[Henderfuzz]

Bottom Line it appears a merger is going to happen.
Do we want the survive on what we have now or do we want something better in the near term.
Not great mind you just better.
Its pretty simple.
So you have to decide each and everyone of you.

 

[orioleman]

O-man!

I look forward to seeing you out in PHX again... loved the Sudoku books that you bring! As you will be junior to me, just stay off my bag room couch, okay?

Lemme 'plain to you... Once the T.A. has been rejected, United merger is a go, your station is cutback (who needs BWI with IAD so close?), along with lay-offs (your 60-day clock starts then), we will welcome the East refugees as a staple job to the bottom of the seniority list at $9/hour with the West contract! I'll even let you pull the lever on the lav truck while positioned over the dump station too! You understand there are no Easties in PHX, at least, not working for East, right? If you want to come stay in Fry-Town in the summer bring your maximum SPF (btw... "SPF" isn't a city code). Just imagine that if only East supported the T.A. then the 60-day rule wouldn't have been in effect and you could have waited 4 years, but oh well.... you had your principles!

Personally, I think that all Easties should assume West TWU contract, and I would predict a 98% "yes" to assume the IAM contract, as is. (The other 2% thought they were voting on at on a discount root canal offered at GSE.)

So Welcomes Jester!

Jester please . I thought your were smarter than that. You know why there are no Easties in phx the were contracted out. When you vote yes. You open the west up to everyone . Its called a systemwide transfer.

which means You can go where ever your SENIORITY will allow you. As far as having more time that was good for a laugh . my rain gear has more time then you do. the BWI thing Us took that away many moons

ago. besides 24 yrs wouldn't get you FT in Bwi.. try again.

 

[bob dylan]

If this contract is voted down, we'll go back to the table and start all over again but we can't force your company back to the table.

That mean you in general or the IAM ?

bob

 

[mlr]

I for one am far from trying to sway the hopelessly too far gone braindead here from changing their minds ( you know who you are)......,GIANTSFAN keep informing the masses that peruse this board but never post.....those are the ones that need to hear the accurate information and none of the scare tactics, speculations, and guesses being thrown around .....

Fact.....the can't miss cic lost .....no back pay, no front pay, no pay at all.....( east guys wrong! )( wonder what else they may be wrong about???)
fact......the old US Airways is dead...along with the pre bk contracts.....gone forever....
fact......working currently with a bk contract that is significantly improved upon with this TA ( an 8.5% top end east pay increase during a recession from a company losing money.....do the math people) for all and much much more for others. We're starting over, new company, improvements can only come a step at a time
fact......brings everyone to pay parity.....and solidarity.......reject it and solidarity is history
fact......after almost 3 years there has not come a better deal from this company while it was making money.......( so, now you think a better deal is coming from a company losing money?????)

And anybody who hasn't seen the delaying tactics of this company over the last nearly 3 years has lost all credibility with me..... oh, and if you are braindead you also have no credibility

 

[orioleman]

tommyboy,
"It's not that easy. Ideally, transitioning a group into the surviving contract would be the chosen path. However, this option was not available due to the concessions and job losses that our west members would suffer. Only by opening up the east agreement and increasing wages did we have the ability to transition the west."


So lets play the shell game and move things around a little and make it look like a good deal. typical IAM politics. How about the concessions WE ALL would take on this , and since your so concerned

about job losses .. WHY would you GIVE the company 18 citys on a platter . WHY would you GIVE the company COC KNOWING FULL WELL THIS UA WAS COMING DOWN BEFORE YOU WENT TO PHX TO NEG.


that my district leader is TREASON .. and You should be ashamed to where your black IAM logo polo..


lets see guys . we have this COC stuff that protects you in a merger with snap backs and such. But wait IF a merger comes barging through our door we are GOING TO GIVE IT AWAY..

what a bunch of CRAP..