IAM Fleet Service topic

[Ramp Rogue]

i plain and simply said i was going to vote no i dont want this new TA as much as you i hate it and i know if this merger goes through i may get layed off point out to me where i said i was goin to vote yes???

cltramprat72,

I think that you miss understood something. First off, my comment wasn't directed to you personally. It was a general statement to all yes voters. I know that you say you are voting no, and I do appreaciate that, being that I am also a no voter. I know this is not a good contract. What yes voters don't understand is that it will hurt junior east employees and all west employees. When the roof caves in on them they will understand what their yes vote did to them. I just hope that they are man or woman enough to admit the error of their voting. The east oldtimers have been around too long to not know and understand the writing on the wall. I am glad that you are one to listen, observe, and educate yourself to what is going to happen in the long run.

Rogue

 

[cltramprat72]

cltramprat72,

I think that you miss understood something. First off, my comment wasn't directed to you personally. It was a general statement to all yes voters. I know that you say you are voting no, and I do appreaciate that, being that I am also a no voter. I know this is not a good contract. What yes voters don't understand is that it will hurt junior east employees and all west employees. When the roof caves in on them they will understand what their yes vote did to them. I just hope that they are man or woman enough to admit the error of their voting. The east oldtimers have been around too long to not know and understand the writing on the wall. I am glad that you are one to listen, observe, and educate yourself to what is going to happen in the long run.

Rogue

i understand what you are saying and i will do my best to sway all the peopl ei know that are wanting to vote yes to them voting no hopefully they dont relize like you said they vote yes thats their job pretty much to me this TA is slap in the face thats bad when a person with a little over a year and 3 months relizes that

 

[perserverance]

''clt72''- Welcome to this site. I don't think ''rouge'' was referring to you. I think
he was stating why he personally will not vote for this. Don't take it the wrong way
when people post under yours sometimes they haven't even read it yet. I'm glad
you see the TA for what it is and you'll have others on here who see it 180* the other
way. Anyway you have good people to ask questions to and some in CLT, like ''orioleman''
and others. If you have any thoughts other than the seniority issues please post them
and hopefully after pros and cons on the posts you'll find an answer and vice versa, look
for posts you feel like you can assist on and I'm sure your posts will be appreciated and
hated all on the same page..............once again WELCOME.

and I agree with you 100%.....I'm also a NO vote and am talking to anyone who'll
listen and some that don't care,to vote and send a message. We want to get our
dignity in the workplace back and this TA reeks of a company only proposal.

Good Luck and take the good with the bad.........

***case in point while I typed this ''rouge'' has already answered you.***

 

[cltramprat72]

i relized that he was talking outloud about the subject and not just personally at me sorry ramp and thank you Perserverance

 

[Tim Nelson]

Am I flip flopping or am I current with the times … that’s something a lot of you senior east people need to ask yourselves … you know how the industry has changed , if you don’t change with it you get left behind …

There’s more and more doubt as this TA grows closer , will we merge with united ? Or will we not , and if we don’t ,your stuck for quite sometime with what ya got ….

Funny thing is , with any up coming merger I’d think you guys would be like rats trying to flee a sinking ship in escaping from your 60 day clause … if I recall what I’ve heard right , the old us airways was pretty freaking brutal in using the clause … here in PHX we had us airways people , about a month before the merger took place us airways gave them the AX … at least that’s what I’ve heard …


Just remember east guys , once the 60 day rule affects you , your pretty much gone for good … a sad , but true statement … ask the guys hit by it , see what they say … and I know they’ll beg us too look out for them , to fight to bring them back , but we all know no one’s going to do it ..

That could be you .

Freedom, this new TA sux. Nuff said.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

When the time comes to vote and you vote yes, don't be afraid to admit that you were wrong when you find out that you were lied to. Anyone that has ten years or less is facing being layed off or displaced to part time, or having to move to keep there job. Believe me, I've been through it. That is why DOH seniority is so important. It is the only thing that can possibly keep you in your home city in the event of a merger. If we do merge with ua, you are surely going to cry the blues when you see that you are layed off or displaced while there are still people working in your city with less seniority then you have. But if you are so sure a yes vote is going to help your situation, by all means vote yes. Just remember that the raise you are promised is not valid when you are in the unemployment line.

Rogue

P.S. Voting NO until DOH is in the t/a.

Unfortunately, what you said is very true. All the yes voters have believe a lie. That's what fear does. Hopefully, the No votes have it though.
Canale did nothing, even knowing a merger was going to happen, to protect fleet service. Fleet service will suffer 'great pain' in a merger and will have themselves to blame if this 'april fool's contract' gets in. There would be no reason to complain about Hemenway and Canale's actions if their actions are supported with a goofy yes vote.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

One question: Why isn't Canale even mentioning or communicating to the east about a merger??????? when everyone knows at this point that United and US AIRWAYS will be the two drunks holding eachother up?

I should have you know that before he was ran out of the breakrooms in Chicago last week, he was passing out merger information and telling the United guys not to worry and he will take care of them.

Merger is that 6 letter word that Canale doesn't want to talk about with US AIRWAYS fleet because he hosed you folks so bad in this contract by stripping you of alot of rights and protections in a contract that was suppose to just be a transition agreement. Ask Canale why he eliminated seniority rights for full-timers in regards to part-time recall? Ask Canale why he 'stripped' the part time ratio out west. Ask him why, of all times, did he allow the company to hose over the merger protections in the contract.

This contract provides NO holiday pay, worst sick policy in the industry, worst vacation schedule in the industry, worst scope in the industry. Worst of Worst of all.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Jester]

As far as the 60 day rule thing. I'm not worried about it. worked in field stations and 3 hubs so If I have to move to PHX where the juniority is so be it. 24 yrs will keep me around for a while . How bout you.

O-man!

I look forward to seeing you out in PHX again... loved the Sudoku books that you bring! As you will be junior to me, just stay off my bag room couch, okay?

Lemme 'plain to you... Once the T.A. has been rejected, United merger is a go, your station is cutback (who needs BWI with IAD so close?), along with lay-offs (your 60-day clock starts then), we will welcome the East refugees as a staple job to the bottom of the seniority list at $9/hour with the West contract! I'll even let you pull the lever on the lav truck while positioned over the dump station too! You understand there are no Easties in PHX, at least, not working for East, right? If you want to come stay in Fry-Town in the summer bring your maximum SPF (btw... "SPF" isn't a city code). Just imagine that if only East supported the T.A. then the 60-day rule wouldn't have been in effect and you could have waited 4 years, but oh well.... you had your principles!

Personally, I think that all Easties should assume West TWU contract, and I would predict a 98% "yes" to assume the IAM contract, as is. (The other 2% thought they were voting on at on a discount root canal offered at GSE.)

So Welcomes Jester!

 

[rat tales]

One question: Why isn't Canale even mentioning or communicating to the east about a merger??????? when everyone knows at this point that United and US AIRWAYS will be the two drunks holding eachother up?

I should have you know that before he was ran out of the breakrooms in Chicago last week, he was passing out merger information and telling the United guys not to worry and he will take care of them.

Merger is that 6 letter word that Canale doesn't want to talk about with US AIRWAYS fleet because he hosed you folks so bad in this contract by stripping you of alot of rights and protections in a contract that was suppose to just be a transition agreement. Ask Canale why he eliminated seniority rights for full-timers in regards to part-time recall? Ask Canale why he 'stripped' the part time ratio out west. Ask him why, of all times, did he allow the company to hose over the merger protections in the contract.

This contract provides NO holiday pay, worst sick policy in the industry, worst vacation schedule in the industry, worst scope in the industry. Worst of Worst of all.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

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[robbedagain]

as far as that 60 day rule goes I dont see any other labor group with that whether it be US or UA so tell me why that is still there? that 60 day rule was and still is met to get rid of as many agents in the out back stations. Fleet labor should not and should never ever had that put in place it goes to show what kind of moron canary bird and hammerheads the iam and us have at when it comes to negogiating and wind up with this so calle ta

 

[john john]

as far as that 60 day rule goes I dont see any other labor group with that whether it be US or UA so tell me why that is still there? that 60 day rule was and still is met to get rid of as many agents in the out back stations. Fleet labor should not and should never ever had that put in place it goes to show what kind of moron canary bird and hammerheads the iam and us have at when it comes to negogiating and wind up with this so calle ta

Couldn’t agree more
IAM did that to its fleet service members for WHAT (?????????????????)

 

[Tim Nelson]

District Force,
Why hasn't the IAM just transitioned the west into the east contract like other airline mergers?

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[roadtrip]

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Rat,
Thats the best comic of the week!
You see Canale uses rusty,worn and broken nails in which anyone with intelligence can pry open and expose the lousy contents which he hides. I know Tim well and when something is as bad for Fleet Service as this TA he will fight day and night to get the message out to the rank and file. I thank him and others on this board who want real justice for Fleet Service in a fair TA that provides us with above Non Union wages not Below them! A Contract that protects small cities not eliminate them! A contract that makes me proud to be a union member not embarassed. A contract that gives the workers Respect Dignity something the company and Canale refuse to let you have.

 

[700UW]

Couldn’t agree more
IAM did that to its fleet service members for WHAT (?????????????????)

The IAM did not do that, the company did it in the final offer after the CBA was abrogated by judge mitchell.

 

[Hadenough]

The IAM and the company are one in the same. Therefore the IAM imposed the 60 day rule on fleet. The NC of that time

were company stoolies.