Iam Fleet Service topic 5/21- merged topic

[The Janitor]

hey Janitor , I know how you feel about solidarity and all having spent the majority of my career up in the Northeast and then going south . I
saw a whole different mindset about unions and sticking together. But I have to say that ONCE we got the right people in place . CLT turnedaround
1,000 percent and I am still amazed at how much more people are involved on the local level here and how much more our fellow employees
stick together on issues and I can only figure that it came from getting people in our Grievance Office that actually give a S*it about the MEMBERSHIP
and not themselves , that my friend is the big difference our guys know that they work for US the membership not the other way around . So maybe
it is going to have to take a new regime out there to get the membership behind them . I know we had the same problem in PIT many many moons ago
so for all you PHX guys my suggestion from an aging ( 1 foot out the door) ramper is find some guys that truly want to work for the membership and not for themselves or looking for a so called union job (what a joke) and get behind them 100 percent and support them . I have seen it happen in 2 different
citys in two different decades.

Good and wise advise from someone who knows and has been around for decades. I'll just add that we had the exact same problem here with PF and BC. Once we got leaders who knew how to build solidarity by actually listening to us and actually doing something after listening, we became solid. FO has locked down our station with solidarity that he has built. He respects our Local and our committee and works with all of our leadership. Local leadership, Local committee, safety, etc., are all speaking one voice.

 

[P. REZ]

Yes or No, do you support NH?

When it comes time to fight the company on issues I support the cause. I like NH as a person who I would go have beers with. I just don't think anyone on the ND team is experienced enough. We still sit here with a point system, get written up for calling in on a trade, etc., etc. Not one PHX case has been arbitrated. I'm neutral on the election as of now and if someone wants my vote I'll talk.

I believe PHX would show solidarity if it needed to!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Harry Callahan]

. We still sit here with a point system, get written up for calling in on a trade, etc.,

This is also what I fail to understand. Some one who knows please explain.

 

[pjirish317]

When it comes time to fight the company on issues I support the cause. I like NH as a person who I would go have beers with. I just don't think anyone on the ND team is experienced enough. We still sit here with a point system, get written up for calling in on a trade, etc., etc. Not one PHX case has been arbitrated. I'm neutral on the election as of now and if someone wants my vote I'll talk.

I believe PHX would show solidarity if it needed to!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.REZ,

I would like to ask how long have you been waiting for your cases to be heard at the arbitration level? I personaly have 1 that is over 2 years now, waiting on arbitration, and from what I understand MW, one of canoli's hand picked AGC's is sitting on his hands to schedule the arbitrations. I also have 1 that is close to going on 2 years waiting on arbitration. I understand that you want to help your people out in PHX, but you also have to wait your turn, your grievances are not any more important than mine, and you should not move ahead of the line because you say so. Do you understand that the company also has a hand in scheduling the arbitrations? The company is dragging their feet with them also, just like MW. PHX in not the center of the USAirways universe within Fleet Service. That center lies with all of us working together. So please quit with the attitude that PHX cases should come first. As I am positive that there are cases in front of yours that take precedence. Wait you turn.

 

[goodfellow]

P.REZ,

I would like to ask how long have you been waiting for your cases to be heard at the arbitration level? I personaly have 1 that is over 2 years now, waiting on arbitration, and from what I understand MW, one of canoli's hand picked AGC's is sitting on his hands to schedule the arbitrations. I also have 1 that is close to going on 2 years waiting on arbitration. I understand that you want to help your people out in PHX, but you also have to wait your turn, your grievances are not any more important than mine, and you should not move ahead of the line because you say so. Do you understand that the company also has a hand in scheduling the arbitrations? The company is dragging their feet with them also, just like MW. PHX in not the center of the USAirways universe within Fleet Service. That center lies with all of us working together. So please quit with the attitude that PHX cases should come first. As I am positive that there are cases in front of yours that take precedence. Wait you turn.

I know from talking to MW that the company would not schedule any arbitrations for months until a full panel of arbitrators were available. Now with the panel being full, he has scheduled nearly 20 cases. What I do not like is the cases he scheduled are the hardest ones to win? Talking with 3 AGC's I found they have some that are easy wins! Of course MW is one of Canoli's boys and Iam wondering if he is playing politics with the members livelyhoods??? By the way, he is an AGC for PHX! Has any one in PHX seen him lately?

 

[blownkneesbob]

If you don't know who I am then why bash????? My backround includes organizing to get the Union in at America West and holding the position of President of our local which would be the equivalent of AGC. I've proven my Union loyalty time and time again, so it would be appreciated if the negative B.S. would stop.

Buddy , I don't recall bashing you . If you read my post I was explaining a proven method for getting support from a work group. Sounds like your
a bit defensive about something so you might want to relax . unless your part of the problem I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe spread the word to
some of your co-workers on how to get PHX solid. Hey its just a little friendly advice . You can take it or leave it , I could careless.

 

[blownkneesbob]

Yes or No, do you support NH?

IF NH is the same guy I know from the Burgh days H*ll I support him . I didn't know he was up for election . but he's got my vote

 

[P. REZ]

P.REZ,

I would like to ask how long have you been waiting for your cases to be heard at the arbitration level? I personaly have 1 that is over 2 years now, waiting on arbitration, and from what I understand MW, one of canoli's hand picked AGC's is sitting on his hands to schedule the arbitrations. I also have 1 that is close to going on 2 years waiting on arbitration. I understand that you want to help your people out in PHX, but you also have to wait your turn, your grievances are not any more important than mine, and you should not move ahead of the line because you say so. Do you understand that the company also has a hand in scheduling the arbitrations? The company is dragging their feet with them also, just like MW. PHX in not the center of the USAirways universe within Fleet Service. That center lies with all of us working together. So please quit with the attitude that PHX cases should come first. As I am positive that there are cases in front of yours that take precedence. Wait you turn.

Cases older than 2 years, close to 3. I don't remember saying PHX was the center of the universe.

 

[charlie Brown]

This is also what I fail to understand. Some one who knows please explain.

Harry
I know the point system pretty well. What questions about it do you have? I know from talking to the GC in clt, that the stewards and the GC have done a good job, by not letting the point system affect the employees any more severe than our last system. AS far as the Union arbitrating the points system attendance policy. I have said all along that I think our best bet is to meet with the company and try to make the few changes to it that we need to make and forget about arbitration. I personally think it will be a very hard case to win. But thats not my call. Ill be glad to answer any of your questions about the policy if you have any, but like I said, It hasnt really affected anyone in clt any more than the old system. (according to the GC ).

 

[ChockJockey]

PHX in not the center of the USAirways universe within Fleet Service. That center lies with all of us working together. So please quit with the attitude that PHX cases should come first. As I am positive that there are cases in front of yours that take precedence. Wait you turn.

You are clearly putting words in his mouth and imposing motive. He simply said that not one PHX case has been arbitrated. You can re-read it by going back one page in this thread.

Can any of you give a coherent, point-by-point explanation of your case against PHX leadership? One not based on bias, hearsay, or pure opinion? You know, for the benefit of those of us not in the loop or for the sake of you having a little more credibility than a post-menopausal sewing circle?

 

[pjirish317]

You are clearly putting words in his mouth and imposing motive. He simply said that not one PHX case has been arbitrated. You can re-read it by going back one page in this thread.

Can any of you give a coherent, point-by-point explanation of your case against PHX leadership? One not based on bias, hearsay, or pure opinion? You know, for the benefit of those of us not in the loop or for the sake of you having a little more credibility than a post-menopausal sewing circle?

I read his post, and understood it. IMO, it was refering to just attendance policy cases. If that was not the case, I appologize. I was also offended by the implication that our union leadership is being inaffective at getting cases heard, and the implication that PHX shuold be priority number 1. Again, that was IMO. And just for the record, I am not biased against PHX. I have met the chair CL, and think that you guys have the right man for the job, as he is doing a great job for all of you in PHX. As far as my credibality, PM me and I will be glad to see if my "credibality" is up to your standards. Nice personal insult though, very original.

 

[goodfellow]

You are clearly putting words in his mouth and imposing motive. He simply said that not one PHX case has been arbitrated. You can re-read it by going back one page in this thread.

Can any of you give a coherent, point-by-point explanation of your case against PHX leadership? One not based on bias, hearsay, or pure opinion? You know, for the benefit of those of us not in the loop or for the sake of you having a little more credibility than a post-menopausal sewing circle?

I have talked to one of the AGC'S of the Two assigned PHX, He says they do a good job. Problem 1 is they do not have time off as per the contract to act and work as a functioning committee due local and corporate managements disregard of the language in the contract! Good news is the grievance on that language is going to arbitration 8/21/10 and an answer expected within 2 months from that date? Problem 2 is only 1 AGC shows up for the PHX members!One a Members First or MFReS 1st candidate and is looking to get your vote! He has not done much in his six year career and wants to continue the same! Time to send a message PHX! Vote MW and the rest of Canolis clowns out! I am voting NEW Direction !!!

 

[orioleman]

You are clearly putting words in his mouth and imposing motive. He simply said that not one PHX case has been arbitrated. You can re-read it by going back one page in this thread.

Can any of you give a coherent, point-by-point explanation of your case against PHX leadership? One not based on bias, hearsay, or pure opinion? You know, for the benefit of those of us not in the loop or for the sake of you having a little more credibility than a post-menopausal sewing circle?

Here's one for ya CL. The District asked for your support (of which is one of your own RR)
in the Upcoming elections. The LEADERSHIP informs said District "we got your back" . Low and Behold Nominations
come around and a lowly 4 people show up out what 1,000 members.IF thats having my back I would rather have you against me.
I do believe the ND AGC was able to secure you guys with a time clock outside of security which should help cut down
on the "lates" also I believe the ND AGC got you an office to work out of . Gee doesn't look like they're

against you as much as you think .

 

[orioleman]

Hey PJ , good to see ya back . Hope all is well . next time your through CLT look me up .

 

[Harry Callahan]

I know they won't, but heads should fly in Charlotte. Friday night there was more unnecessary mandatory over time as managers choose AGAIN to violate our contract & mandatory everyone full & part time. I'm told most every one done NOTHING except grab the money & run. Thank you idiot managers for FREE cash.....