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orioleman
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hey chill
"I've been hearing a LOT of talk about how the East is treating the West like garbage, taking on this "you wouldn't be here if it weren't for us" attitude.
Remember where the money came from guys..."
not sure where your hearing that . also If we on the east went with the west back in sep . THERE WOULD BE NO MONEY coming
so you need to remember who kicked that POS t/a to the curb
"I've been hearing a LOT of talk about how the East is treating the West like garbage, taking on this "you wouldn't be here if it weren't for us" attitude.
Remember where the money came from guys..."
not sure where your hearing that . also If we on the east went with the west back in sep . THERE WOULD BE NO MONEY coming
so you need to remember who kicked that POS t/a to the curb
Tim Nelson
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Henderfuzz,
As long as you continue to support positions that District Force keeps, then expect debate and discussion from me. If you think it is a lecture then think what you wish.
Nonetheless, all you keep talking about is the September enema and you're still angry you didn't get that $19. Stop blaming the hubs and everyone else. That last contract had 'wage bait' at the cost of 1,200 jobs, 19 stations, drop dead language, profit sharing, IOU's, up to 22 lost benefits for the west, COC language lost, 2 year extension, wage scale lengthened by 2 additional years.
All that for $19hr and positive space travel for Boss Canale. Puh leeessseeee!
The masses saw through this 'baby do do' and issued its mandate to wait till 2009, section 6, or hold out for a fair contract. Our negotiations team has new members who are listening to the members and their September mandate.
If you are angry or frustrated then I don't mean to be rude but you might need to consider management jobs or a re-evaluation of things. But if you are thinking that the masses will flip like a pancake and accept something less than the September enema then you are sorely mistaken.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
lithuanian
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I am so caught up with the Section 6 for AWA TWU in 2005 I googled it. Heres a discussion board on it going thru Section 6. I'll read it after I post this cause this forum is very current and hate to miss a punch!
http://www.usaviation.com/forums/lofiversi...php/t22602.html
October 31, 2005
Negotiations update,
The negotiating committee met with the company this past week for continued negotiations for pay and benefit increases. Several proposals were passed between the Union and the company. Last week was Shirley Kaufman’s final week as the lead negotiator for the company. Our next negotiating meetings on November 9th and 10th will be with Al Hemenway. Al comes from US Airways. Local 580 realizes that the time is now for getting a contract. We will do our best to accomplish this task. This has been a trying period for all of us and we would like to thank you for your support and patience.
Thanks,
The Negotiating Committee
Brothers and Sisters,
The TWU Local 580 Executive Board understands that the members across the system are anxious to receive answers to numerous questions surrounding the merger of America West and US Airways.
Some members are of the opinion that TWU should accept the IAM contract in lieu of continued contract negotiations. TWU will not accept the IAM contract for the following reasons:
1. OUTSOURCING: Up to 650 Union members in 15-20 field stations could lose their jobs to outsourcing if we were under the IAM contract.
2. CONCESSIONS: The IAM contract is a concessionary contract forced on the IAM by US Airways management.
3. NEGOTIATIONS: TWU Local 580 is currently in Section 6 contract negotiations with a company that is NOT in bankruptcy. Since the company is not in bankruptcy and there are also no ATSB loan constraints, Local 580 is in a positive position to gain significant increases for its members involving pay and benefits.
With the information listed above and numerous other issues that Local 580 has with the IAM contract, the Executive Board believes that the IAM contract should not be considered as an acceptable choice for the membership. TWU Local 580 will continue vigorous negotiations to secure a non-concessionary contract that benefits and protects the entire membership.
The TWU Local 580 Executive Board would like to thank you for your continued support. You can expect continual updates as we go through this process together.
robbedagain
Oct 31 2005, 06:10 PM
is a field station something like ABE whereas it doesnt have but 1 mainline jet a day?
barbeetantrums
Nov 1 2005, 12:55 AM
QUOTE(robbedagain @ Oct 31 2005, 06:10 PM) *
is a field station something like ABE whereas it doesnt have but 1 mainline jet a day?
That is correct.
robbedagain
Nov 1 2005, 06:20 AM
that means that my job could be in jeapordy then if they are/will cut Piedmont station as well as MDT?
muircross
Nov 1 2005, 05:52 PM
Wait 'til you guys get a load of Al.
diogenes
Nov 2 2005, 12:42 PM
Specific people were retained by HP/US for a REASON.
This announcement is one of many.
The Palace was proficient at exploiting division, which is all I see at the combined work groups.
oncearound
Nov 3 2005, 10:59 AM
Should we be signing cards saying we want a vote? Let's get TWU in here! We have had enough of IAM!
barbeetantrums
Nov 3 2005, 05:59 PM
QUOTE(oncearound @ Nov 3 2005, 10:59 AM) *
Should we be signing cards saying we want a vote? Let's get TWU in here! We have had enough of IAM!
There is a card at http://local580.twuatd.org/TWU_ATD_RepElectionForm22.pdf
You may want to look at the TWU pay scale first.
roadtrip
Nov 3 2005, 07:06 PM
QUOTE(barbeetantrums @ Nov 3 2005, 11:59 PM) *
There is a card at http://local580.twuatd.org/TWU_ATD_RepElectionForm22.pdf
You may want to look at the TWU pay scale first.
The ramp faces the same issues as the mechanic group the chance at replacing the IAM with another union. If the TWU can show 35 percent or more to the NMB there will be an election to decide if the merged fleet service group changes its representation leadership.
If the TWU does succeed they would become the new servicing agent on the IAM contract in effect you keep the contract but dump the IAM as your rep. Now the Big scare tactic the IAM AGC's will throw at you is you will lose your union if the 50 percent plus one is not made in a vote. Nothing would make my day as seeing the IAM AGCs who makes 99,000 or 3 times the amount of pay as a FT ramp worker who make 33,000 a year scramble around trying to convince us we need to keep them. We never see these guys only when its important to Protect there A$$! I cannot see the workers falling for there BS again so if the cards come in to the Breakrooms I forsee many many workers signing cards fully knowing the risk of decertification with a run off vote.
If the AGC.s all cut there pay beneifits 40 percents tommorrow I still think the workers would still sign a card they have had enough of the IAM! Most agree our backs are up against the wall with this dead end contract . The IAM does not deserve another dam dollar paid to them for this sorry A@# excuse for a contract. They blame everyone now the Company the BK Judge and even the workers the represent but they IAM reps never except reponsiblity for what they lost thu poor representation.
If the TWU reps come to my city I'll have my pen ready fully knowing the risks
IAM strenght in numbers - what a joke!
gonzo
Nov 5 2005, 02:28 PM
QUOTE(oncearound @ Nov 3 2005, 10:59 AM) *
Should we be signing cards saying we want a vote? Let's get TWU in here! We have had enough of IAM!
There's a lot of that going around.
smile.gif
barbeetantrums
Nov 6 2005, 11:41 AM
QUOTE(roadtrip @ Nov 3 2005, 07:06 PM) *
If the TWU reps come to my city I'll have my pen ready fully knowing the risks
I doubt that will happen with the current TWU leaderhip at 580. Their laziness and failure to react to this merger has been a classic ca
http://www.usaviation.com/forums/lofiversi...php/t22602.html
October 31, 2005
Negotiations update,
The negotiating committee met with the company this past week for continued negotiations for pay and benefit increases. Several proposals were passed between the Union and the company. Last week was Shirley Kaufman’s final week as the lead negotiator for the company. Our next negotiating meetings on November 9th and 10th will be with Al Hemenway. Al comes from US Airways. Local 580 realizes that the time is now for getting a contract. We will do our best to accomplish this task. This has been a trying period for all of us and we would like to thank you for your support and patience.
Thanks,
The Negotiating Committee
Brothers and Sisters,
The TWU Local 580 Executive Board understands that the members across the system are anxious to receive answers to numerous questions surrounding the merger of America West and US Airways.
Some members are of the opinion that TWU should accept the IAM contract in lieu of continued contract negotiations. TWU will not accept the IAM contract for the following reasons:
1. OUTSOURCING: Up to 650 Union members in 15-20 field stations could lose their jobs to outsourcing if we were under the IAM contract.
2. CONCESSIONS: The IAM contract is a concessionary contract forced on the IAM by US Airways management.
3. NEGOTIATIONS: TWU Local 580 is currently in Section 6 contract negotiations with a company that is NOT in bankruptcy. Since the company is not in bankruptcy and there are also no ATSB loan constraints, Local 580 is in a positive position to gain significant increases for its members involving pay and benefits.
With the information listed above and numerous other issues that Local 580 has with the IAM contract, the Executive Board believes that the IAM contract should not be considered as an acceptable choice for the membership. TWU Local 580 will continue vigorous negotiations to secure a non-concessionary contract that benefits and protects the entire membership.
The TWU Local 580 Executive Board would like to thank you for your continued support. You can expect continual updates as we go through this process together.
robbedagain
Oct 31 2005, 06:10 PM
is a field station something like ABE whereas it doesnt have but 1 mainline jet a day?
barbeetantrums
Nov 1 2005, 12:55 AM
QUOTE(robbedagain @ Oct 31 2005, 06:10 PM) *
is a field station something like ABE whereas it doesnt have but 1 mainline jet a day?
That is correct.
robbedagain
Nov 1 2005, 06:20 AM
that means that my job could be in jeapordy then if they are/will cut Piedmont station as well as MDT?
muircross
Nov 1 2005, 05:52 PM
Wait 'til you guys get a load of Al.
diogenes
Nov 2 2005, 12:42 PM
Specific people were retained by HP/US for a REASON.
This announcement is one of many.
The Palace was proficient at exploiting division, which is all I see at the combined work groups.
oncearound
Nov 3 2005, 10:59 AM
Should we be signing cards saying we want a vote? Let's get TWU in here! We have had enough of IAM!
barbeetantrums
Nov 3 2005, 05:59 PM
QUOTE(oncearound @ Nov 3 2005, 10:59 AM) *
Should we be signing cards saying we want a vote? Let's get TWU in here! We have had enough of IAM!
There is a card at http://local580.twuatd.org/TWU_ATD_RepElectionForm22.pdf
You may want to look at the TWU pay scale first.
roadtrip
Nov 3 2005, 07:06 PM
QUOTE(barbeetantrums @ Nov 3 2005, 11:59 PM) *
There is a card at http://local580.twuatd.org/TWU_ATD_RepElectionForm22.pdf
You may want to look at the TWU pay scale first.
The ramp faces the same issues as the mechanic group the chance at replacing the IAM with another union. If the TWU can show 35 percent or more to the NMB there will be an election to decide if the merged fleet service group changes its representation leadership.
If the TWU does succeed they would become the new servicing agent on the IAM contract in effect you keep the contract but dump the IAM as your rep. Now the Big scare tactic the IAM AGC's will throw at you is you will lose your union if the 50 percent plus one is not made in a vote. Nothing would make my day as seeing the IAM AGCs who makes 99,000 or 3 times the amount of pay as a FT ramp worker who make 33,000 a year scramble around trying to convince us we need to keep them. We never see these guys only when its important to Protect there A$$! I cannot see the workers falling for there BS again so if the cards come in to the Breakrooms I forsee many many workers signing cards fully knowing the risk of decertification with a run off vote.
If the AGC.s all cut there pay beneifits 40 percents tommorrow I still think the workers would still sign a card they have had enough of the IAM! Most agree our backs are up against the wall with this dead end contract . The IAM does not deserve another dam dollar paid to them for this sorry A@# excuse for a contract. They blame everyone now the Company the BK Judge and even the workers the represent but they IAM reps never except reponsiblity for what they lost thu poor representation.
If the TWU reps come to my city I'll have my pen ready fully knowing the risks
IAM strenght in numbers - what a joke!
gonzo
Nov 5 2005, 02:28 PM
QUOTE(oncearound @ Nov 3 2005, 10:59 AM) *
Should we be signing cards saying we want a vote? Let's get TWU in here! We have had enough of IAM!
There's a lot of that going around.
smile.gif
barbeetantrums
Nov 6 2005, 11:41 AM
QUOTE(roadtrip @ Nov 3 2005, 07:06 PM) *
If the TWU reps come to my city I'll have my pen ready fully knowing the risks
I doubt that will happen with the current TWU leaderhip at 580. Their laziness and failure to react to this merger has been a classic ca
lithuanian
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And I might add. Our local 580 guessed wrong! They were sure AWA would have had NO union. So, one day, the IAM offered them a Walk Away Deal. And, Twu workers lost the 80,000.00 in the kitty that went back to TWU. And then, the IAM (officially?) became the overseers of the TWU contract.
Tell us! That is NOT a deal under the table. That is why, Tim! You must persuade your RLA attorney to pursue this undertaking of a union(s) dealings.
Tell us! That is NOT a deal under the table. That is why, Tim! You must persuade your RLA attorney to pursue this undertaking of a union(s) dealings.
The Bagfather
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Thanks for those posts. The problem is that even though
we feel that Canale has wronged us big time he is not one
to leave himself uncovered. He has aces up his sleeve too.
IMO that was a big reason for the Sept TA and why he still
says he supports it. It could be used in a DFR to show that
the west was being represented. And he can point to the
west vote as more proof. OTOH we all know him to be the
sleeze that he is and just maybe with a smart lawyer he
won't get away with it. Regardless I will do everything in my
power to get rid of him in june. Thanks BF
we feel that Canale has wronged us big time he is not one
to leave himself uncovered. He has aces up his sleeve too.
IMO that was a big reason for the Sept TA and why he still
says he supports it. It could be used in a DFR to show that
the west was being represented. And he can point to the
west vote as more proof. OTOH we all know him to be the
sleeze that he is and just maybe with a smart lawyer he
won't get away with it. Regardless I will do everything in my
power to get rid of him in june. Thanks BF
lithuanian
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Under the Table agreements and Side Bar agreements are why we're getting NO WHERE! Be it Canale or COMPANY, they want to control thru SLEZZY! underhanded, side bar agreements. I am willing to retire and pursue these IDIOTS! Union/Company. Come on Tim! If this attorney is real ( and I must add I've known real ones) then your RLA from Chicago can get to this!
bagchucker
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orioleman
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bagchucker,
I can only imagine your pain in terms of grievances . It's hard enough trying to get one to stand under our east
contract much less adminstrating your twu and having an IAM person try and adminsiter it. I would hate to have to walk in
your shoes in this instance.
I can only imagine your pain in terms of grievances . It's hard enough trying to get one to stand under our east
contract much less adminstrating your twu and having an IAM person try and adminsiter it. I would hate to have to walk in
your shoes in this instance.
lithuanian
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That is clearly the reason AWA will try to discipher the Two International unions of TWU and IAM making this agreement to Blindfold AWA into agreeing to IAM rules without ever voting for or against changing unions and, still, AWA pays the IDIOTS that control IAM.
We ALL East/West are being blinded to think we are protected by the company or union. Let the courts decide for us.
We ALL East/West are being blinded to think we are protected by the company or union. Let the courts decide for us.
rat tales
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I support the west 100%. I resent you calling me anti-west. Have the guts to show my entire post. I'm about building bridges not dividing the group. Don't fight me, I'm the one along with other brothers who have drawn a line in the sand and told the IAM we will retreat no more.
I want to take up arms with the west and bring a united front to negotiations. We can't tolerate an East v West mentality anymore.
Thats just how I feel!
Hadenough
Senior
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN!!!!!!
I have said this before and will say it as many times as necessary.
700 Does not work for US anymore. Has not done so for a number of years. Was never Fleet. Was actually utility(aircraft
cleaner and stock clerk). Does not represent the East fleet service attitude and is not our spokesman and will never be so. His attitude does not reflect how we feel towards the fleet service in the west. I am tired of the implication and the false representation that is constantly presented.
This may get me the cornfield but needs to be told and brought out in the open again.
I have said this before and will say it as many times as necessary.
700 Does not work for US anymore. Has not done so for a number of years. Was never Fleet. Was actually utility(aircraft
cleaner and stock clerk). Does not represent the East fleet service attitude and is not our spokesman and will never be so. His attitude does not reflect how we feel towards the fleet service in the west. I am tired of the implication and the false representation that is constantly presented.
This may get me the cornfield but needs to be told and brought out in the open again.
Tim Nelson
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Lith, first I want to thank you for that piece of information. It was forwarded to the attorney. Disclosures is what is key. I had stuff copied from the old TWU site and the articles that were already agreed to but I didn't copy all the negotiations update.
The attorney is not from Chicago. The lawsuit, if any, would have to be filed in Chicago due to the DL offices here.
I have been notified from the IAM that section 6 is something that DL141 continues to evaluate and consider. I can separate BS, so that is why we must check out the option of DFR. Hopefully, the attorney will give us a yes or no this week.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
bagchucker
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That is good to know as he is THE most anti-west of all posters on this forum...
Rat...sorry to ruffle your feathers in my earlier post, but it is true though, why are we paying dues to IAM? It really begs the question. Glad you are supportive of the west, but I read through many of these posts and it is clear many do not support the west, so it is difficult to be supportive of the IAM in many instances, when some folks in the membership clearly do not want us westies. The sad part is the rank and file of the west is grouped into the anger and frustration of the east and it is NOT the rank and file that merits that frustration. The Sand Castle merits the anger and frustration, and they merit my own, too.
mike33
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Ok already, we know what The current IAM regime has done and we know what the company is trying to do! Can we all agree that we are on a path that hasn't been travelled in quite some time? I know alot of you are frustrated and alot of you think that this is just the way it is and are willing to settle for anything.
The bottom line, is that the former america west employees are being used by the company, not by the " Old Usairways Employees or the terms of the previous Bankruptcy contract. You see there was a new face that was attached to the negotiations. The face of A Hemenway. Unfortunately for the America West employees, Al Hemenway will use the cloak of Bankruptcy Judge Mitchells POS BK Contract language as long as we or the IAM allow him to do so!
Well first we all have to make sure that, that, never happens. We fight, We accuse, but we first must ALLIGN ourselves. We are almost there. JUNE is right around the corner. It's a new start. We've been waiting for this for quite awhile. This is no longer the Mom/Pop/BK airline it once was. The whole industry is watching. If our CEO is listening and his BODs' are listening then thats 1/2 the battle. Alot of people might differ with this but " BAD PRESS " helps us to recovery. ( if Doug is listening !)
The other 1/2 of our problem is the current IAM regime. We are on the right path. Don't let the distractors get the best of you. Their end is upon us soon and the ways of the old are soon giving way to the " Days of the New ".
Stay focused and maybe other contracts of other airlines will simulate what we are hoping for. WE DESERVE IT. Whether we gave because of BK or whether we are still giving because we haven't caught up yet. We can prevail!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!"
SOLIDARITY
The bottom line, is that the former america west employees are being used by the company, not by the " Old Usairways Employees or the terms of the previous Bankruptcy contract. You see there was a new face that was attached to the negotiations. The face of A Hemenway. Unfortunately for the America West employees, Al Hemenway will use the cloak of Bankruptcy Judge Mitchells POS BK Contract language as long as we or the IAM allow him to do so!
Well first we all have to make sure that, that, never happens. We fight, We accuse, but we first must ALLIGN ourselves. We are almost there. JUNE is right around the corner. It's a new start. We've been waiting for this for quite awhile. This is no longer the Mom/Pop/BK airline it once was. The whole industry is watching. If our CEO is listening and his BODs' are listening then thats 1/2 the battle. Alot of people might differ with this but " BAD PRESS " helps us to recovery. ( if Doug is listening !)
The other 1/2 of our problem is the current IAM regime. We are on the right path. Don't let the distractors get the best of you. Their end is upon us soon and the ways of the old are soon giving way to the " Days of the New ".
Stay focused and maybe other contracts of other airlines will simulate what we are hoping for. WE DESERVE IT. Whether we gave because of BK or whether we are still giving because we haven't caught up yet. We can prevail!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!"
SOLIDARITY
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