IAM Fleet Service Thread 3/7-3/14

[lithuanian]

I'd sure like to know the West supporters on the thread. You East have it sown up. Good for you!

Fact is West was given the Shaft from day one! We allowed IAM to control AWA,thinking we'd have a non-union had we had a REAL VOTE and we were the lesser player. There was no VOTE! Then we anteed! up union dues for nothing the last two years. Giving dues to get results! FAT CHANCE. First TA voted down was a given by East numbers. Now! We wait till East contract 2009. West won't and by the way can not wait, NO WAY! Our last ditch effort for TWU and AWA and IAM is to FORCE the current IAM to ACKNOWLEDGE what was active and ongoing during negotiations with a SECTION SIX! (Part of TWU contract). Please refer to past posts. This is for benefit of WEST and EAST! Can you get it!

Thanks for the Banter! But only a real RLA attorney could sort this out. Otherwise, if this counsel can not get it thru we will all go back to work and forget it!

 

[Hadenough]

Lith
FWIT: I work in a hub and was a TWU supporter when we thought we were going to get to vote on our choice of unions. I never have been a fan of the IAM. Now we are stuck with the IAM and our only choice is to change the leadership. I am also willing to pitch in to help with the attorney's fee to help with the FDR. There are many others willing to do the same. Do not dispair you are not alone.

 

[lithuanian]

Hadenough! I am entirely fed up with anyone who adds info on this subject. If Tim has a real RLA attorney, then let us give him the real information.

 

[oncearound]

Okay, I've held back but I'm going for it. Our "West" TWU contract has a lot of good in it. I'm not saying perfect, but not counting our pay it's pretty darn good. It has stood the test of time. We would have been so much better off if we had remained TWU. We could have based the merger contract on it. All we would have needed to do was fix the pay, and added profit sharing. We ALL would have been so much better off. TWU's old executive board screwed us. They sold us out because of promises made by IAM, and some money, so I've heard. TWU's International was against this, but the executive board members we had, sold us out. Those guys sold us out for their own benifit. A lot of good it did them. Look where they are now. We would not be fighting for the scope protection. We can kiss our vacation, sick pay, holidays, short and long term disabilty and less expensive health insurance goodbye. IAM can't seem to keep this stuff. How can we ever hope to get that back once it's gone? Not going to happen. Take just the sick pay, isn't this something unions fought for back in the day when they started? Now IAM doesn't seem to think we deserve them? What kind of union guys do this stuff? IAM's District Force implied AWA's fleet hasn't been union long enough to deserve the same respect as "East". Maybe someone should alert Delta ramp to this. How can they expect solid representation just becoming union members? How long has IAM been with US fleet? A year longer maybe? Bottom line IAM is a business and they don't care about the realitivly small number of field station employees. They don't care if 1200 field station employees are outsourced because when the dues go up according to IAM's contract, they will still be ahead money wise. My only hope is that we do somehow merge with SWA, then maybe we will be back with TWU and can move in a positive direction. I have NOTHING against you "East" guys. We are ALL in a bad spot and need to stick together. TWU may not be better than IAM, but from what I've seen so far IAM isn't out to help the "West". What does it take to get the district to wake up and get real? I think TWU would have been better. Come on SWA buy US!!!

 

[The Bagfather]

Okay, I've held back but I'm going for it. Our "West" TWU contract has a lot of good in it. I'm not saying perfect, but not counting our pay it's pretty darn good. It has stood the test of time. We would have been so much better off if we had remained TWU. We could have based the merger contract on it. All we would have needed to do was fix the pay, and added profit sharing. We ALL would have been so much better off. TWU's old executive board screwed us. They sold us out because of promises made by IAM, and some money, so I've heard. TWU's International was against this, but the executive board members we had, sold us out. Those guys sold us out for their own benifit. A lot of good it did them. Look where they are now. We would not be fighting for the scope protection. We can kiss our vacation, sick pay, holidays, short and long term disabilty and less expensive health insurance goodbye. IAM can't seem to keep this stuff. How can we ever hope to get that back once it's gone? Not going to happen. Take just the sick pay, isn't this something unions fought for back in the day when they started? Now IAM doesn't seem to think we deserve them? What kind of union guys do this stuff? IAM's District Force implied AWA's fleet hasn't been union long enough to deserve the same respect as "East". Maybe someone should alert Delta ramp to this. How can they expect solid representation just becoming union members? How long has IAM been with US fleet? A year longer maybe? Bottom line IAM is a business and they don't care about the realitivly small number of field station employees. They don't care if 1200 field station employees are outsourced because when the dues go up according to IAM's contract, they will still be ahead money wise. My only hope is that we do somehow merge with SWA, then maybe we will be back with TWU and can move in a positive direction. I have NOTHING against you "East" guys. We are ALL in a bad spot and need to stick together. TWU may not be better than IAM, but from what I've seen so far IAM isn't out to help the "West". What does it take to get the district to wake up and get real? I think TWU would have been better. Come on SWA buy US!!!

Oncearound: This post could not be more accurate as to what a lot of people in the
west think. Especially field station people and the few enlightend people in the west
hubs. If Canale and his people including RR try to sell us out into a BK contract
with zero protections we will fight it. I personally will not accept anything less
than the current TWU contract with a raise which reflects a real dollar increase. Not
one station outsourced, not one benifit compromised. I would also not accept a contract
which did not include COC language. Some people think this is pie in the sky. I
could not disagree more.

OTOH if the company is not motivated to give us a TA of this calibre, then
I am perfectly willing to pursue every avenue until it is accomplished. This
includes waiting as long as it takes. You have nailed the IAM's possition,
which is why the current leadership must be pressured as much as possible.
Given the current situation section 6 is not out of the question. I know that
there are even few "Canaleites" who would agree with this but who have been
stiffled by Canale and his superiors.

M&R have been negotiating last week. I hope if the company proposal is not
respectable that 142 has the courage to throw it back in the company's face
without a vote. Thank you BF

 

[The Bagfather]

IMO to go for a "feel good" contract, which could end up being a dissaster
in less than two years time is practicing the fine art of negligence. Who
knows what could happed in a merger scenario in future? Also any
TA which the company would approve would have negative implications
to it which could hold us hostage for up to 7 years. And after that what?
Another very weak bargaining position.

I don't see any option but to fight both the company and Canale to see
that this does not happen. Thanks BF

 

[necigrad]

TWU's old executive board screwed us. They sold us out because of promises made by IAM, and some money, so I've heard. TWU's International was against this, but the executive board members we had, sold us out. Those guys sold us out for their own benifit.

Coming up to the end of the third quarter... He shoots... And it bounces off the rim!

You're almost right. Flip the TWU Board and TWU international around and you're dead on.

 

[oncearound]

Coming up to the end of the third quarter... He shoots... And it bounces off the rim!

You're almost right. Flip the TWU Board and TWU international around and you're dead on.

The letter I saw, and I'll try to find it, was from TWU Local 580's executive board, telling the TWU International to drop the fight with IAM, that they were better off not taking a chance on the election. International was mad, flew in to PHX and locked the board out of the office and froze the bank accounts. Then Local 580's executive board was mad, cause they lost their jobs before they were ready to go back to the ramp.

 

[freedom]

do you hear that tearing sound ? that's the sound of old wounds reopening .....

since we can't seem to make any progress in the present , lets bring up the past and point fingers!! that's always a fun way to pass the time and it gives us new things to complain about on us aviation !!!

 

[lithuanian]

OH MY GOSH! There ARE members that felt the injustice at 580 being Suaded! by IAM to give it away due to the possiblity of being without a union representation. Thank you! The members of the West that realize we are working to pay the members of IAM to keep their jobs.

Barbeetantrums in 2005 was smart to document the results and the timeline that thru AWA under the bus.

So, that said: Let's get the information to the RLA attorney. Hate to think he will not see what happened during the transition of TWU/IAM and will not care enough to take it to District on a Class Action.

My hopes would be a settlement and damages!

 

[roabilly]

(Quote: onearound)

District Force implied AWA's fleet hasn't been union long enough to deserve the same respect as "East". Maybe someone should alert Delta ramp to this. How can they expect solid representation just becoming union members?

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Once...

There are non Fleet Service posters in this thread, that are working behind tha scenes tahh brainwash us... and weaken our solidarity, and resolve. They are either upper M&R Union, Company, or both.

Consider... "Distract Farce" and all these people enemy !

 

[Dog Wonder]

(Quote: onearound)

District Force implied AWA's fleet hasn't been union long enough to deserve the same respect as "East". Maybe someone should alert Delta ramp to this. How can they expect solid representation just becoming union members?

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Once...

There are non Fleet Service posters in this thread, that are working behind tha senes tahh brainwash us... and weaken our solidarity, and resolve. They are either upper M&R Union, Company,or both.

Consider "Distract Farce" and all these people enemy !

ROABilly. You are correct.

Too many wannabees fighting over membership.

Instead of fighting for the membership.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Does anyone know how many Letters of Agreement Randy Canale signed that he didn't disclose to the membership? A week ago there was some discussion on this forum about the 'helping hand agreement' but I found out through fax that Randy Canale signed a LOA with Ron Harbinson on December 20, 2006 that extended the interim transition agreement. How many LOA did Randy sign and did he post this LOA or the others after 2005? Any LOA are suppose to be disclosed to the membership and unless I missed it on the DL141 website, this particular one isn't posted on squat.

When Hemenway sez the union leadership agreed to some things, maybe Randy has and we just don't know since he is pretty big on excluding the democracy of the membership. At any rate, Randy now has less than 80 days left until the voting commences to eliminate him from office.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[roabilly]

Does anyone know how many Letters of Agreement Randy Canale signed that he didn't disclose to the membership? A week ago there was some discussion on this forum about the 'helping hand agreement' but I found out through fax that Randy Canale signed a LOA with Ron Harbinson on December 20, 2006 that extended the interim transition agreement. How many LOA did Randy sign and did he post this LOA or the others after 2005? Any LOA are suppose to be disclosed to the membership and unless I missed it on the DL141 website, this particular one isn't posted on squat.

When Hemenway sez the union leadership agreed to some things, maybe Randy has and we just don't know since he is pretty big on excluding the democracy of the membership. At any rate, Randy now has less than 80 days left until the voting commences to eliminate him from office.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

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Tim....

If this circumvention of our democratic rights is true...we need tha be real upset!

At no time should tha Fleet Service Agreement be opened fer changes without our knowledge...or approval!

 

[Tim Nelson]

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Tim....

If this circumvention of our democratic rights is true...we need tha be real upset!

At no time should tha Fleet Service Agreement be opened fer changes without our knowledge...or approval!

for things considered 'minor changes' a President and General Chair can sign a LOA. Many are listed on DL141 site but some are not. In this instance, I see no reason why Boss Canale would appease the company and give them something at a time when they are disrespecting fleet service.
Randy Canale is just awful and so disconnected from the masses.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago