IAM Fleet Service Thread 3/7-3/14

[Tim Nelson]

Im not going to agree with all that Districtforce has to say but a lot of what he says makes some sense.
I know one thing though ever since the Sept T/A was voted down we have got nowhere.
We have lost money becasue we could have been making more buy now and yet we still have nothing. The company has gone hard line on us and yet it makes no difference becasue they are still making money. The moral of most of fleet has gone in the crapper and it sucks out here.
I dont see any solutuion comming from the union or the company, and when the pilots begin to make waves after ALPA is voted out, all bets are off. So get ready boys its going to be a long hot summer. 2009 is a long way off and even longer for a lot of us and I doubt we will see anything worked out by then.

Well then just park it Henderfuzz. Nothing is going down unless it is $20hr and offers full protections. Bottom line. If it's tic tac toe then so be it.
Quit your complaining and follow in line because your whining isn't going to accomplish anything. Everything District Force said was offensive and an insult and if you didn't hear him disrespecting you and your brothers then open your ears. I figured you would give District Force some points. Stop your constant complaining and suck it up and join the masses instead of being in the very small minority.

At any rate, that profit sharing check you're getting is the result of fighting for it. I realize you wanted to throw it under the bus but the vast majority didn't and fought for it and kept it.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

TIM! Are you sure the Retainer is 25,000! Nice, you have friends in High places but that is well above the 10 bucks per ramper first equated. That took my breathe away! Is this the truth as to the money against unions and company. Rampers have a chance in Hell!

I don't think there will be a problem with getting 2,500 workers to give a minimum of $10. Raffles on the property have also raised $10,000 per pop at various times when needed. I don't think this will be a problem at all. If so then we won't be pursuing a DFR because this guy is the best but very expensive. We need the best so there isn't any alternative. Hang in there Lith, when the attorney gets back with us, we will have an answer and mobilize if necessary. Our attorney is the best and when he gives a thumbs up, we'll disclose his law firm and the IAM will know it has problems, provided it is a DFR. I'll let you know one way or the other hopefully by next week.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[orioleman]

HEY TEMPE ,

I tell you what I PROMISE TO DO MY BEST TO GET YOUR SMELLY AIRPLANES OFF THE GATE ON TIME.

oh wait .. I AM SORRY I TAKE THAT BACK .. I will get them out when I FEEL like it's fits my needs.....

D.P S.K AND THE REST OF THE COLLEGE GRADS >> YOU ARE A JOKE..

quit F*c*ing with peoples money.


not to change the subject. But I think you guys and gals need to finally realize that this COMPANY ..

laughs at the working man and will hold hostage your WELL deserved and earned P/S check for as long as they legally can

so as to MAKE as MUCH interest on YOUR MONEY.. think about that next time you run out to park a plane in the pouring rain

with tight conx

 

[orioleman]

necigrad,
"I will not support Randy. I'm sure at least several others here and out on the ramp would support this as well."


I hear you brother .. Remember the NEW DIRECTION team is devoted to IT'S MEMBERSHIP and not MANAGEMENT ..


elections are in JUN . so get out and VOTE . that's one thing Randy can't neg away from you.

 

[Henderfuzz]

Well then just park it Henderfuzz. Nothing is going down unless it is $20hr and offers full protections. Bottom line. If it's tic tac toe then so be it.
Quit your complaining and follow in line because your whining isn't going to accomplish anything. Everything District Force said was offensive and an insult and if you didn't hear him disrespecting you and your brothers then open your ears. I figured you would give District Force some points. Stop your constant complaining and suck it up and join the masses instead of being in the very small minority.

At any rate, that profit sharing check you're getting is the result of fighting for it. I realize you wanted to throw it under the bus but the vast majority didn't and fought for it and kept it.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Let me just tell you that I dont need a lecture from you about sucking it up anymore.
I have been for the last 4 years with this sorry contract that got voted in by the spineless guys in the hubs becasue they were willing to throw me under the bus then.
Ive got 25 years,and if some of those guys in the stations that have fewer than 10 flights might have to move and leave there job can improve my pay or job, than so be it.
Most have much less time than myself as do many of my brothers here and sometimes you have to make sacrifices. Its part of working in this industry, if you didnt know that going in than you dont really understand how it works.
Sure this company has done well and has a good balance sheet, it wont last forever as long as fuel cost continue to rise. If you dont understand that than you dont understand what only 1 cent rise in the price does to the bottom line. The company has no control over that.
As far as that profit sharing check. I would give that up in a heartbeat to be making the 19.50 per hour that I would have been making now had we passed the Sept T/A.

 

[700UW]

It is quite apparent Hender you do not understand the concept of a union.

A trade union or labor union is an organization of workers. The trade union, through its leadership, bargains with the employer on behalf of union members (rank and file members) and negotiates labour contracts with employers. This may include the negotiation of wages, work rules, complaint procedures, rules governing hiring, firing and promotion of workers, benefits, workplace safety and policies.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

It is quite apparent Hender you do not understand the concept of a union.

A trade union or labor union is an organization of workers. The trade union, through its leadership, bargains with the employer on behalf of union members (rank and file members) and negotiates labour contracts with employers. This may include the negotiation of wages, work rules, complaint procedures, rules governing hiring, firing and promotion of workers, benefits, workplace safety and policies.

So... Wait... How is the IAM a union according to this definition?

A reminder for Easties:
Just remember us out in the west when it comes time to divvy up the money. Don't foresake us.

I've been hearing a LOT of talk about how the East is treating the West like garbage, taking on this "you wouldn't be here if it weren't for us" attitude.

Remember where the money came from guys...

 

[700UW]

How many westies took paycuts during the three rounds of concessions at US?

Lets see that would be ZERO, yet you have no problem taking the profit sharing from the East, especially since all the profits are being generated by the East part of the operation while the west is losing money.

How does it feel taking money from the East Employees who gave up jobs, money and many other things in three rounds of concessions during two chapter 11 cases?

The money was raised by US Airways, CEO Bruce Lakefied and John Lutz who works for Seabury and Associates, who was working for US Airways, not America West.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

You have to be making real money to take pay cuts. HAHA! Get me a list of how the west lost money while the east gained and maybe ill consider your argument. Corporations are good at fudging the numbers. I've heard your argument before with no proof.

US Airways was days away from bankruptcy when we merged. I don't know where you are pulling your magic numbers from.

As far as profit sharing goes- We were one operation, we were entitled to it. How will it feel when these people are recalled? Thank the investers. So you can act like pricks to the West people because your management put you guys in bankruptcy? You are directing your anger at us when it should be Doug Parker, Oh wait, he turned a profit, maybe you should be kissing his feet insted of blaming him. Your anger toward him is misguided in that matter.

700, why don't you go work somewhere else. Obviously you like nobody here and from what I remember, nobody THERE either. Stop mooching the flight benefits, or start treating people with respect.

East operations were in bankruptcy NUMEROUS times, bereft of real leadership. Stop blaming TEMPE and the west for your problems. Lets be honest- Nothing changed but the name. We still operate as America West with a new computer system, nothing more. Same for the East. If something sucks there, it's because of the system already put in place.

Time for a little respect.



Profanity & personal attack deleted by moderator. This has just got this poster time off & there is room for more.

 

[700UW]

Well the #s came from your side of the operation.

Hate to inform you US wasnt days away from bankruptcy, it was in bankruptcy.

East was in bankrupcty twice, west was once, at least the east was not almost shutdown by the FAA.

Anyway since you cursed, you lose all credibility, shows your true self.

Have a nice day.

 

[mike33]

Let me just tell you that I dont need a lecture from you about sucking it up anymore.
I have been for the last 4 years with this sorry contract that got voted in by the spineless guys in the hubs becasue they were willing to throw me under the bus then.
Ive got 25 years,and if some of those guys in the stations that have fewer than 10 flights might have to move and leave there job can improve my pay or job, than so be it.

Hey Fuzzy

If you allow this to happen then you'll just be one of those guys and the cycle will never change. I'm in one those stations and I have 33 yrs, so move over. Your sorry wish might come true. I might be coming to take your shift.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

I've lost nothing to you. Trust me, I'm not going to lose any sleep either!

The East loses credibility every time it blames Doug Parker for it's problems. After all, the East was in bankruptcy, how many times 700? Twice? Stop disrespecting us, we don't care about the shattered US AIR culture anymore. You lost, time to move on.

Just stop being dicks, that's all I ask.

And don't think we aren't watching every move you make in the EAST. We aren't puppets, we will make damn sure you don't cut us out of any deal.

 

[Edward]

Folks here's a warning to everyone profanity(even if abbreviated) & personal attacks WILL get you time off as has just happened to one poster.

 

[rat tales]

You have to be making real money to take pay cuts. HAHA! Get me a list of how the west lost money while the east gained and maybe ill consider your argument. Corporations are good at fudging the numbers. I've heard your argument before with no proof.

US Airways was days away from bankruptcy when we merged. I don't know where you are pulling your magic numbers from.

As far as profit sharing goes- We were one operation, we were entitled to it. How will it feel when these people are recalled? Thank the investers. So you can act like pricks to the West people because your management put you guys in bankruptcy? F*ck you 700! You are directing your anger at us when it should be Doug Parker, Oh wait, he turned a profit, maybe you should be kissing his feet insted of blaming him. Your anger toward him is misguided in that matter.

700, why don't you go work somewhere else. Obviously you like nobody here and from what I remember, nobody THERE either. Stop mooching the flight benefits, or start treating people with respect.

East operations were in bankruptcy NUMEROUS times, bereft of real leadership. Stop blaming TEMPE and the west for your problems. Lets be honest- Nothing changed but the name. We still operate as America West with a new computer system, nothing more. Same for the East. If something sucks there, it's because of the system already put in place.

Time for a little respect.

You better watch your mouth when it comes to making this East v West. The profit sharing check that you are going to receive you are not entitled to contractually until the west transitions to the east. Read your west contract. I am reading it right now and the TWU did not negotiate profit sharing anywhere in it.
Open up and read the east contract that you are not under. Whether we are one company or not, only fleet covered by this contract are "contractually" entitled to divvy up these moneys. Fleet under the east took cuts out the @$$ to get that profit sharing check. The IAM Membership’s portion of the profit-sharing pool is proportionate to their share of the overall cost savings achieved through the Bankruptcy Transformation Plan. Again, the west is not covered under this contract yet. It is for the same reasoning we do not share the double time language and other benefits that your west contract employees enjoy.
You don't hear me and other east employees on this board making this an issue because we are trying to build solid bridges that this type of quibbleing can destroy. Focus on the big picture. Keep solid!

 

[orioleman]

fuzz,
"Ive got 25 years,and if some of those guys in the stations that have fewer than 10 flights might have to move and leave there job can improve my pay or job, than so be it."


geez fuzz YOU sound like one of those "spineless guys in the hubs"

tell ya what .. come to clt . We'll show you a spine......