IAM -- Fleet Service Thread 2/29-3/7

[necigrad]

Necigrad,

You're right. All those "advantages" Tim listed are either non-existant, overstated or completely opposite from what he says

WTF? I never said that. I found a few errors and uncommented on entries that I adressed. The West contract, other then pay is FAR superior to the East contract. No one is saying it's a GOOD contract, just far better.

Then again most of the East guys forget a large majority are willingly part-time at West

I know a lot of part times workign full time hours because they don't have the senority to hold what they need. They do it through trades and occasional overtime.

No double time? How many part-time people are doing close to 40 hours a week, not to mention 7 days a week to get double time?

See above, but also remember that, even as you pointed out, most PT employees aren't here for the money, so this doesnt' need to be as much of a consideration.

Sick leave? What's that for part-timers as we get zero presently.

The West contract is still much better then East.

Holiday Pay? Extra four days a year for 50% more pay... will someone pinch me in my new found wealth?

I get 100% for those extra four days. Damned if I know where you're coming up with 50%.

Four weeks paid vacation? After how many years? Is it after a decade when 99% of all hires will be gone by then?

Again, it's still better then what the East has. And I know many with 4 weeks in the West, so it's not as exclusive a club as you would like to believe.

Geographic pay differentials? When the company can't find people willing to start at $7.50/hour? Imagine that one living in California.

CA is one of the few areas that get the differential. I think every station gets it, but even if one didn't, CA has a "living wage" law so they're making more then $7.50 (your example) and probably more then $9 anyway.

Health insurance coverage? Not bad and very reasonable, but part-timers limited to coverage for only employee and not family. Part-timers cannot even offer to pay the full premium rate to cover a spouse, I know... I tried. Full-timers get coverage for whole family at a reasonable price.

PT lost coverage in bankruptcy and the Company claimed it couldnt' be on the table in neogotiations unles they gave all Company part timers coverage. With the merger I'd hope that's changed.

Disability coverage? Never heard of it except as provided through government mandated Workers Comp, and the private coverage being offered through a payroll deduction is a joke as it wouldn't cover my monthly power bill.

Uhh... Funny, those disability checks I got weren't written with invisable ink.

401K Benefit? Check the math: $9/hour x 3% = 27 cents only if the employee contributes 6% of the $9/hour. So you use Tim's figures of 65 cents for part-time and $1 for full-time, that's still a negative for West, and that assumes the employee could afford 6% of a meager wage in the first place.

I contribute 7%. Maybe you better learn to budget properly.

 

[necigrad]

Whatever "benefits" Tim speaks about are so minor as they could be compensated easily enough by an extra $5/hour raise within a month.
I am still waiting for Tim to explain some REAL benefits to the West contract over the East contract in terms of monetary rewards and compensation.

Tims comparision was pretty accurate. Not perfect, but FAR more accurate then your ignorant comparison.

 

[oncearound]

West Contract

Sec1 E. STAFFING

1. The parties agree that the Company may continue to: (a) contract out work customarily or historically contracted out; (B) return equipment part or assemblies to the manufacturer or to a manufacturer approved repair station for repair or replacement; © contract out work when the Company's facilities or equipment are not sufficient, or qualified personnel are not available, or where employees available do not have experience and ability to preform the work required; (d) contract out work as part of the implementation of an alliance, affiliation or other marketing arrangement with another entity; and (e) contract out any work at any location where such work has not been preformed by Fleet Service Employees on a regular basis, or at any location where the company has not maintained permanent Fleet Service facilities. The company shall not, however, contract out work if such contracting out would result in a reduction in force/furlough for any employee covered by this Agreement. Nothing in this paragraph, however shall prevent the Company from implementing a reduction in force/furlough for economic reasons unrelated to contracting out work or for a reduction in Company flights.

 

[oncearound]

West Contract VACATION AWARD

1. Full time Fleet Service Employees will be awarded vacation each January 1st based on their company seniority as follows:

[b]Completed Years of Service on Jan 1st[/b]
Year of Hire....New hire full time employees earn vacation days at a rate of one day per full calendar month of service beginning with the first day of the month following the completion of a ninety (90) days new hire period, up to a maximum of five (5) vacation days during the first year of employment. All employees must complete a ninety (90) day new hire period prior to taking vacation.

0-3 10 days (80) hours paid
4-12 15 days (120) hours paid
13+ 20 days (160) hours paid

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

remember, the POV from a second class station would trade places with PHX any day. I think alot of us get annoyed at PHX for crying like they are poor. ORD has most workers making $9 or $10 bucks an hour but they don't have the opportunity like PHX does to make a bit more since ORD doesn't have paid sick time, no double time, no premium holidays, less vacation, less holidays, no shift differ.

Bottom line, we now know the company has no intentions to get a transition agreement so I'm hopeful that Randy Canale can be pursuaded to recommence section 6 for the west. I think there is a chance on him recognizing this.

regards,

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Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

A HA HA! I think a lot of guys out here would laugh at that statement. Sure we have the opportunity to work 16 hour days, and a lot of us do, but come on, that should be illeagle!

I spoke with a high senority guy last night and he said in 12 years he's only had about a 40 cent raise. 12 years man! I asked him why the hell he stayed around that long!

Fact of the matter is that the cost of living in PHX isn't what it used to be. Housing costs are skyrocketing, fuel prices, food, and medical. Here's the kicker: The polynesian and latino rampers out here (90%) HAVE FAMILIES WITH 5 KIDS! It's a cultural thing. Back in the midwest, if you had a kid before you were out of college and started your career, you were frowned upon. Out here, in these tribial cultures, you need to have a ton of kids.

I think Oncearound posted something key here, but is that for the TA or the current east bankruptcy contract? I don't see how the east contract would have any west language in it. If not, then that is a moot point.

 

[oncearound]

I think Oncearound posted something key here, but is that for the TA or the current east bankruptcy contract? I don't see how the east contract would have any west language in it. If not, then that is a moot point.

That was from the current 'west' contract, just for clairification. Here's a little more just FYI...

SEC 24-1

SECTION 24
INSURANCE BENEFITS

A. MEDICAL AND DENTAL

Fleet Service Employees covered by this Agreement shall
continue to participate in the Company’s current group
medical, dental and vision policies subject to any changes,
revisions, amendments or improvements to said policies made
by the Company for other employees not represented by
another bargaining agent, including any increase in premiums
subject to payment by the Employee.

B. SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM Disability

Fleet Service Employees covered by this Agreement shall
continue to participate in the Company’s Short Term and Long
Term Disability policies subject to any changes, revisions,
amendments or improvements to said policies made by the
Company for other Employees not represented by another
bargaining agent, including any increase in premiums subject
to payment by the Employee.

C. LIFE INSURANCE AND AD&D

Fleet Service Employees covered by this Agreement shall
continue to participate in the basic Life Insurance and AD&D
policies for which they are currently eligible, subject to any
changes, revisions, amendments or improvements to said
policies made by the Company for other eligible employees
not represented by another bargaining agent, including any
increase in premiums subject to payment by the Employee.

FLEX SPENDING ACCOUNT

So long ~ the benefit is permissible under the tax code, and
the company maintains the same benefit for all other
employee groups, Flexible Spending Account in effect on
Date of Signing shall remain in effect during the Agreement.

 

[oncearound]

Again just FYI... Current West Pay Scale not including GEO pay

1st 6 months 7.50
2nd 6 months 7.75
begining of 2nd year 8.40
yr 3 8.86
yr 4 9.24
yr 5 9.59
yr 6 9.83
yr 7 10.17
yr 8 10.51
yr 9 11.86
yr 10 12.65
yr 11 13.62
yr 12 14.21
yr 13 14.45
yr 14 14.95
yr 15 15.20

 

[blownkneesbob]

I know this probably isn't the right place to ask this but it seems to me the IAM is worthless
what can we do to get the teamsters to look at us again. please no assaults just asking a question
seems that we are still just spinning wheels

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Yeah, but I should add that they brought everyone up to at least 9 dollars some time ago.

So then the smaller stations would, then, lose their protection...

Why can't they just adjust the payscale for god sake?

 

[oncearound]

Yeah, but I should add that they brought everyone up to at least 9 dollars some time ago.

So then the smaller stations would, then, lose their protection...

Why can't they just adjust the payscale for god sake?

They brought ONLY PHX and LAS up to 9.00 to start, but then no raise until yr 4! There is also GEO pay for some cities.

They SHOULD have brought the pay scale up to the east contract!

 

[orioleman]

jester,
"Tim speaks about are so minor as they could be compensated easily enough by an extra $5/hour raise within a month"

got news for you there oh great one.....

the raise you talk of getting in a month is spread out over 18 months.. That info came straight for neg committee. So you won't be

getting a big windfall. but you will however get to have your insurance triple immediately.

 

[orioleman]

hot da*n made the top of the page again.

 

[orioleman]

blownkneesbob,
"I know this probably isn't the right place to ask this but it seems to me the IAM is worthless
what can we do to get the teamsters to look at us again. please no assaults just asking a question
seems that we are still just spinning wheels"

unfortunately Hoffa has been burned by Us fleet 2 other times and has no interest and getting burned a third time

so we have what we have .. Hopefully the new leadership coming in JUN will start to fight for the membership

 

[mike33]

They brought ONLY PHX and LAS up to 9.00 to start, but then no raise until yr 4! There is also GEO pay for some cities.

They SHOULD have brought the pay scale up to the east contract!

There is also GEO pay for some cities
Ex: SJC 23%.....SAN 8%....

They SHOULD have brought the pay scale up to the east contract!

Bottom line ! I believe they don't mind the pay/geo being higher, it's the outsourcing language that is most important to " The New Usairways "

 

[Black Magic]

18 mos. to get the pay raise?! That is complete bs. Just more reason to wait till 2009