IAM -- Fleet Service Thread 2/29-3/7

[roabilly]

I am old and beat but new to this forum too. Interesting reading, waiting with baited breath to see some kind of ACTION. Keep on
with the push for change.

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Welcome beatup...

tell us 'bout yerself.....

Station ? Previous Airline !

 

[pjirish317]

For the Weat agents, you guys really need to read our BK POS CBA. Here is an exaple.
Article 3, Section 4, Paragraph ©: It states,

Should a Class II station's scheduled mainline weekly jet departures be reduced a level of 56 weekly departures on an annualized basis, the Company may OUTSOURCE Fleet Service work in that station.


So be very carefull, and read everything twice, and then read it again. How many "West" stations would this clause effect?


I believe that the "West" would have to vote this POS in, due to the fact that there are some major scope, work rule, and many other changes, that are a reduction of what you currently have now. Except maybee the Pay. I am not sure though.

 

[The Bagfather]

Lith: I don't understand your comment. Maybe if your could
amplify or clarify what you mean. Thanks. Meanwhile
the real reason for my post is to test my New Direction Team
signature line and of course to see if I make it to the top
ahead of O-man.
As to the contract controversy; MS in his now infamous
appearence at a station somewhere in the southwest,
stated: "I'm not sure that the company would agree to
putting the west under the east contract." , which tells
me that he's chomping at the bit to get it done.
Thanks BF

 

[cltrat]

if they tried to bring the west in under the east contract would not senority issues need to be addresed?

 

[roabilly]

Roabilly,

Why would they have to have the East approval....the only change to the east would be the # of members.........The west might vote because the change would affect them.....I dunno....I have a headache too...........

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"33"

Seniority Interrogation!

Yahh can’t bring another group in… without solvin' this first. Hence tha need fer ahh vote frum tha east!

 

[The Bagfather]

Roadtrip! Help. This is pitiful. OMG! I'm an idiot!

 

[mike33]

if they tried to bring the west in under the east contract would not senority issues need to be addresed?

That is a good point!

 

[roabilly]

Anyway... "33"...

I used tahh see that number "33" om my Rollin' Rocks "

Put um in tha freezer (Long Necks) till they dang near frozen !

Just ahh little ice in tha neck ...then enjoy!

 

[mike33]

Anyway... "33"..
I used tahh see that number "33" om my Rollin' Rocks "
Put um in tha freezer (Long Necks) till they dang near frozen !
Just ahh little ice in tha neck ...then enjoy!

Well'

The way this thing is going I feel like I'm a little frozen-( in time ).

 

[mike33]

Think I'll take a break ROABILLY and freeze me-up some Corona and watch a little " RAMBO"

Yeah!

Good Call...............!!!!!!!!

 

[mike33]

NEW IAM update at IAM141.ORG......................................

http://www.iam141.org/usairwest.htm#usa.03.03.08

 

[Tim Nelson]

You are correct. We're just trying to figure out the rumor of just putting the West Fleet with the East CBA. Nothing really has changed yet

the rumor was started when the company put out Al's letter to the breakrooms. It caused confusion since alot of rampers didn't pay attention to the company letterhead.
In some stations, maybe all, the shift managers were saying 'this is from your union'. That's how the rumor started.

No, there's been no talk and NOBODY agreed to what Hemenway said the union agreed to. That was inaccurate. If so then Canale was involved in sidebar talks and didn't advise the NC.
The east isn't interested in merging the west into the east contract without $20hr, and most of the west stations aren't interested in losing 1,200 jobs. I do think it is fair to say that PHX is interested in that. The thing that is lacking in PHX is leadership. LAS has leadership and they know the pitfalls better than PHX does.

Further, merging the west into the east contract would cost up to 1,200 jobs. Not sure how the west does furloughs but PHX may look alot different with alot of those from PHX losing their jobs to higher seniority coming in from the stations that would close. Many in PHX might be losing their job before they get any raise. Those 1,200 workers have to go somewhere.

At any rate, major changes in a contract require a vote. Remember, this even included the lead referendum back in 2002. I know there were some saying that if the last TA didn't have the extension that there wouldn't need to be a vote but that isn't true. The change of control language, wage progression scale, profit sharing, and about another half dozen issues were major changes and could have been challenged in court within 6 months.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Good good. I think that's a good update. Pay for west and protection AND no shift trade restrictions.

Read the update Tim, the letter is posted there and it seems the union is protecting the jobs.

 

[NevadaHP]

Tim,

It isn't accurate. No more than 70% part-time vs. 30% full-time. Given the bank style of operations, it wouldn't make sense for the company to have large numbers of full-time people to stand around for 2 hours at a time between some banks during the day and early evening.

So Observes Jester.

The truth is, in negotiating the first contract in 2000 a side letter was issued and stated that the company will not ARBITRARILY decrease full time head count, well after 9/11 guess what, it was no longer arbitrarily.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Good good. I think that's a good update. Pay for west and protection AND no shift trade restrictions.

Read the update Tim, the letter is posted there and it seems the union is protecting the jobs.

There is no letter posted that said the union agreed with the company to just merge the west in with the east, as Hemeneway explicitly mentioned.
Regarding the union's proposal, I am not seeing the logic of Canale proposing concessions on the 19 west stations. I mean why propose lessor protections for the west stations than they currently enjoy???? And then give the company a window where they can then add more flights and keep things contracted out if it stays under certain limits?

At any rate, Canale's updated clarification of Al's inaccuracies was a good thing. Seems like Al might have been set up and wasn't fully aware of our solidarity.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago