IAM -- Fleet Service Thread 2/29-3/7

[JoeDirt]

Cannot get link to work. Can someone repost it?

 

[roabilly]

Think I'll take a break ROABILLY and freeze me-up some Corona and watch a little " RAMBO"

Yeah!

Good Call...............!!!!!!!!

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Rember "33"...

Tha company drew first blood !

Suey...

Roabilly

 

[mike33]

Cannot get link to work. Can someone repost it?

Joe

I dont know how to post it as a link....just highlight it copy/paste the highlight in ur http address line....

 

[JoeDirt]

Joe

I dont know how to post it as a link....just highlight it copy/paste the highlight in ur http address line....

Tried that and the only thing I see is the update on Feb. 27 2008. I don't see anything new. Is this the letter you were refering to?

 

[mike33]

cant get it

 

[JoeDirt]

cant get it

No the only update I get is from Feb 27. Is there something new that came out today?

 

[cltrat]

Joe go to the iam website click Usairways Mar 3 is there

 

[The Bagfather]

http://www.iam141.org/usairwest.htm#usa.03.03.08

 

[pjirish317]

Letter from Union to Company click here.

Hope it worked

 

[JoeDirt]

Got it. Thanks Guys

 

[JoeDirt]

I was also wanting to see the companys proposal from Jan. A lot of people were asking what was exactly in it along with the two most recent ones from the IAM and the company.

 

[JoeDirt]

I will be taking both the copies of the letter and the company proposal from Jan. to work tomorrow.

Goodnight all. 4AM rolls around awful early.

Thanks for the help.

 

[necigrad]

First, are you sure that you work for West? When I have a holiday, if I work it, then I get time and a half rate, if I don't work it then I still half time rate sitting at home. Personally, I like idea of being paid even half time rate for doing nothing, even though I never understood this half pay, no work concept. Double time for holidays? Never heard of it.

Yes I'm sure I work for the West. I even remember AWArd checks. There is no "half" rate for holidays THAT I'M AWARE of (and I don't feel like digging out the contract. FT gets 8 hours. According to the CBA PT gets 4 hours OR THE HOURS WORKED extra. There is a bit of confusion to that for me as I've HEARD Linda Malone gave the "or the hours worked" for PTers away for free. It's not "double time", it's additional hours 4 or 8, whether you work or not.

Second, face it... the overwhelming majority are part-time and want to stay part-time and while there are people who are part-time and work full-time hours, it is because they want the flexibility to reduce hours as they desire, as most part-time people are dropping hours as if it was a high school French. Of course, you are using some relatively small numbers of workers to make a point. Should I call a buddy at LAS and throw down some intials in here for you to verify, assuming you really do work for West at LAS?

I'm not going to disagree with your first point there. You're very corrent that many are only here to fly. I know several employees that work three days a MONTH! I also know many that work 7 days a week, sometimes 12 or more hours each day, as PART TIME.

Third, how does zero sick time hours for part-time West rampers become "better" than anything greater than zero being offered by the East contract, even if only at 50% pay, that's 50% more than I am making now! Must be that "new math" kids are talking about now.

That was my bad. I forgot to mention that PTers do NOT get sick time in the West contract. But according to you PTers don't care about the hours, so why should they care about sick time?

Fourth, speaking of small numbers of people, Oncearound was kind enough to post the number of years required for 4 weeks paid vacation as being 13 YEARS! Hello? What percentage of company West hires will EVER get to 13 years? Less than 1 in 1000, but you are worried about one extra week of vacation for less than 2% of the current West ramp agents while leaving a large pay raise on the table?! That will be the most expensive vacation any West ramper ever took with all the extra money left behind!

Percentage? Damned if I know. But consider this. In my station I'm around 70-80 in total senority, not counting East, out of about 550 (I think) employees in fleet. That means roughly 10% are getting 4 weeks.

And a Big WOW Fifth, as you contribute 7% of your pay and the company matches 3%?! Let's see, once again, some of my "old math" assuming you have been here 10 years and earning $12.65, the company will match you 3% or 38 cents extra per hour? So as you are full-time, and Tim claims the pension would benefit you by $1/hour vs. the 38 cents/hour, that you are better off with West contract, even though you could still contribute 7% to a company 401K (with much higher pay too) without the company match? Yeah, you keep budgeting for that extra 3% on $26,312 ($12.65 x 2,080 hours in a year) for $789 company contribution while you are leaving on the table that $5/hour more over 2,080 hours during that same year.

I don't believe I said the company matches 3% for fleet. I believe I said (and this is correct in any case) that the company matches 50% of up to 6% for fleet. There is a grievance to get a flat 3% of your salary contributed by the company (this is what the CSRs have) which is the same as 50% of 6%. Secondly, I was not debating which was better. I only corrected errors that Tim had made. A pension vs. a 401(k) is subjective in my opinion, dependant on personal beliefs.

my understanding is that the west is only suppose to have 30% part time based on some calculation of some time ago. Is this accurate? If so then why isn't the IAM pursuing the part time grievance? The only time I see the IAM talking about the part time grievance is when they are attaching it to negotiations and throwing it under the bus. Why not arbitrate it already becuse if Jester is accurate that most workers are part time then something is wrong.

It isn't accurate. No more than 70% part-time vs. 30% full-time. Given the bank style of operations, it wouldn't make sense for the company to have large numbers of full-time people to stand around for 2 hours at a time between some banks during the day and early evening.

It IS accurate. This was a grievance that was filed many years ago. Again Linda Malone gave it away from my understanding. I seem to recall it being a side letter, but I've never actually seen it.

Jester, I am Fleet in LAS. I've been there for almost 10 years now. Out of a class of 13, there are three of us left, though one of the three actually transfered to CSR. If you can't accept this statement then I guess that's your problem, not mine.

 

[orioleman]

bagfather congrats on making it to the top back a couple of pages. to bad the thread got hot cause you got buried back about

3 pages ago

sidenote: M/R go back to the table this week. rumor has it they are close . IT will be interesting to see what the company

gives them . or should I say doesn't take away from them. I think that may help strengthen our neg. This is the first time

that mtc goes before fleet service. should be interesting.

 

[orioleman]

necigrad,
just a heads up .. talking to jester is like talking to an ex-wife if you know what I mean . it's fruitless . Jester is the man

if you don't believe me just ask him . he'll tell ya