Delta Labor Relations thread.

[WeAAsles]

Sounds like a better idea is to apply at UA

Your kind of limited depending on what city you live in. But we do have a few former Delta people here in MIA who now work for AA. If I was a newer hire in LGA and I saw this flyer I'd absolutely be putting an application in for UAL or AA.

 

[700UW]

 

[topDawg]

Sounds like a better idea is to apply at UA

 
That is funny coming from a pilot in a union. 
 
When are you leaving?
 
 
 
 
 
note, wouldn't start comparing Delta to United. United can basically sunset all of its ramp work in a few years. 

 

[700UW]

That is funny coming from a pilot in a union. 
 
When are you leaving?
 
 
 
 
 
note, wouldn't start comparing Delta to United. United can basically sunset all of its ramp work in a few years.

No they can't, they now have 30 protected stations and an additional 17 are protected till 2024.

They opened up the contract and agreed to many enhancements

 

[topDawg]

No they can't, they now have 30 protected stations and an additional 17 are protected till 2024.

They opened up the contract and agreed to many enhancements

 
so they can sunset a lot of the ramp in a few years. 
 
Its not as bad as the last turd, but its still a IAM backed, very typical, turd..... expecting the ball to be dropped at AA too. 

 

[700UW]

Let's see they got the highest wage, increase in their 401k match and an increase in their IAMNP.

30 stations have lifetime protection and 17 more until 2024, that's eight years, a few years is like three.

And all the stations are now at the same pay and benefits

Maybe you should read it before spewing misinformation.

What protections does DL ramp have?

 

[topDawg]

Let's see they got the highest wage,

worst scope

increase in their 401k match

paying union dues for something Delta just did.

and an increase in their IAMNP.

Once again, you need to point out positives.
Having anything to do with the IAMNP isn't a positive.

30 stations have lifetime protection and 17 more until 2024, that's eight years, a few years is like three.

Cool they have work for 7-8 years then they get to hope the company keeps them around.
so they are paying the IAM for the same thing Delta has. That seems stupid to me.

And all the stations are now at the same pay and benefits

till the company asks the IAM to sell them down the river again. Reversing an IAM screw job is not how you sell union membership. Why ion a union that works with United to bend its own members over?

Maybe you should read it before spewing misinformation.

I have looked over it. Its a turd. You would be dogging the crap out of it if it was any other union.

What protections does DL ramp have?

About the same as those 17 stations.

Or if the IAM forces another crap contract on it membership like the last one......about the same. None.

So if you are going to pay for a union, what is the point in paying for one that has a history of selling its members out......??

 

[700UW]

Worst scope?

What don't you understand?

They just signed an amendment to the CBA.

Seems you really partook in the DL koolade tonight.

Or are you posting for WT?

 

[topDawg]

Worst scope?

What don't you understand?

They just signed an amendment to the CBA.

Seems you really partook in the DL koolade tonight.

Or are you posting for WT?

Yes worst scope. How do you not understand that?

Or is taking 35 mainline flights or whatever god awful number good scope for you? I know the IAM likes to outsource work so I guess you will keep making excuses.

I'm sure they will try to have WN comparable maintenance scope at AA too when its all said and done. 


IAM, craft destroyer. 700UW, excuse maker.

 

[700UW]

Hey Kevin,

What scope do you have on the ramp?

 

[700UW]

So if the IAM is the scope killer than explain the PMUS scope for fleet in the agreement?

Hint one flight a day.

 

[Lucky777]

Hey Kevin,

What scope do you have on the ramp?

None whatsoever.
 
And while Delta hasn't contracted out any ramp stations in many years, we've also seen a situation where both above-wing as well as below-wing frontline positions in ACS being back-filled almost exclusively with "Ready Reserves".....as recently as 5-6 years ago the ready reserve program was just as the title implies.....a small group of employees who were essentially at-will employees who would come in and boost staffing in ACS during busy periods throughout the year. They would work with local leadership at their stations to come up with an agreeable work schedule that worked for both the employee and the company.I believe they had to work a minimum of 300 hours per year, though i'm not certain of that number.
 
That's clearly not how things are done any longer. In many stations throughout the system, including hubs, the "Ready Reserve" program is now a large, and dare i say, critically vital component of staffing as far as ACS is concerned. No longer do ready reserves call up their local Operations Service Manager and give them their available days they can work, but rather, they're required to bid a scheduled line with set days off and set start/stop times based on their seniority. Doesn't exactly fit the definition of a "READY RESERVE", now does it? Gone are the days of simply working a few days per month to reach the minimum 300 hour-per-year threshold. Now the bar has been raised to working up to 1300 hours per year, which itself was raised from 999 hours per year max a few years back.
 
I can't speak for the hubs, but in the smaller "focus/significant cities" where there is above and below wing employees, the Ready Reserve portion of the workforce has gone from a very small minimal percentage to upwards of 30-50% in many cases in a few short years.

 

[700UW]

Can you explain to others on here their pay and benefits?
 
I know but others dont, people dont realize besides DGS, DL has its own internal outsourcing with Ready Reserves.

 

[Kev3188]

None whatsoever.
 
And while Delta hasn't contracted out any ramp stations in many years, we've also seen a situation where both above-wing as well as below-wing frontline positions in ACS being back-filled almost exclusively with "Ready Reserves".....as recently as 5-6 years ago the ready reserve program was just as the title implies.....a small group of employees who were essentially at-will employees who would come in and boost staffing in ACS during busy periods throughout the year. They would work with local leadership at their stations to come up with an agreeable work schedule that worked for both the employee and the company.I believe they had to work a minimum of 300 hours per year, though i'm not certain of that number.
 
That's clearly not how things are done any longer. In many stations throughout the system, including hubs, the "Ready Reserve" program is now a large, and dare i say, critically vital component of staffing as far as ACS is concerned. No longer do ready reserves call up their local Operations Service Manager and give them their available days they can work, but rather, they're required to bid a scheduled line with set days off and set start/stop times based on their seniority. Doesn't exactly fit the definition of a "READY RESERVE", now does it? Gone are the days of simply working a few days per month to reach the minimum 300 hour-per-year threshold. Now the bar has been raised to working up to 1300 hours per year, which itself was raised from 999 hours per year max a few years back.
 
I can't speak for the hubs, but in the smaller "focus/significant cities" where there is above and below wing employees, the Ready Reserve portion of the workforce has gone from a very small minimal percentage to upwards of 30-50% in many cases in a few short years.

Nailed it...

Only things I can add are that RR's can now work 1400 hours annually, and that some stations are already over 50% ready reserve...

 

[WeAAsles]

None whatsoever.
 
And while Delta hasn't contracted out any ramp stations in many years, we've also seen a situation where both above-wing as well as below-wing frontline positions in ACS being back-filled almost exclusively with "Ready Reserves".....as recently as 5-6 years ago the ready reserve program was just as the title implies.....a small group of employees who were essentially at-will employees who would come in and boost staffing in ACS during busy periods throughout the year. They would work with local leadership at their stations to come up with an agreeable work schedule that worked for both the employee and the company.I believe they had to work a minimum of 300 hours per year, though i'm not certain of that number.
 
That's clearly not how things are done any longer. In many stations throughout the system, including hubs, the "Ready Reserve" program is now a large, and dare i say, critically vital component of staffing as far as ACS is concerned. No longer do ready reserves call up their local Operations Service Manager and give them their available days they can work, but rather, they're required to bid a scheduled line with set days off and set start/stop times based on their seniority. Doesn't exactly fit the definition of a "READY RESERVE", now does it? Gone are the days of simply working a few days per month to reach the minimum 300 hour-per-year threshold. Now the bar has been raised to working up to 1300 hours per year, which itself was raised from 999 hours per year max a few years back.
 
I can't speak for the hubs, but in the smaller "focus/significant cities" where there is above and below wing employees, the Ready Reserve portion of the workforce has gone from a very small minimal percentage to upwards of 30-50% in many cases in a few short years.

I'll take the 30 permanently staffed and everyone on the same pay scale and benefits over this type of turd any day of the week.