And The The Twu Local 514 Officer Winners Are?

[Stop the Bus..I Want Off!!]

I was told the reason it was taking so long is that Luis and Jackson won and that the TWU found out they were AMFA and doesn't know what to do about it.

It would be nice if they won. If we have another AMFA drive, the local 514 would be quiet through the process!!

Keep the Faith........AMFA NOW!!!!!!!!

 

[Decision 2004]

Now the TWU will allow the third party to keep the ballots over the weekend.

Nobody can answer who is the keeper, and nobody knows what prevention is in place to prevent tampering while in third party posession.

Look for the actual counting to take place next week.

Even the Candidates are throwing their hands in the air on this mess.

 

[Rusty]

Was this third party thing according to the constitution or local bylaws? Did the membership vote by ballot to change either one, or was it even posted to take a vote on a third party counting of ballots?

 

[Checking it Out]

Dave why not go down and see the process yourself?

If you remember you were implying the something during the last elections.

The process is being done in a professional manor and your block voting I feel will have some effect on the outcome.

The ballots are secure and takes more than 1 key to have access to them. I fully trust the election committee and no one else has access to the ballots.

 

[Decision 2004]

Dave why not go down and see the process yourself?

If you remember you were implying the something during the last elections.

The process is being done in a professional manor and your block voting I feel will have some effect on the outcome.

The ballots are secure and takes more than 1 key to have access to them. I fully trust the election committee and no one else has access to the ballots.

"My Block Voting"?

You must have me confused with the Thought Police of the TWU.

I neither control votes or the minds of working people.

It is only in the TWU that inividuals have no voice or responsibility, and thus every occurrance is the fault of someone or something other than the membership will.

With AMFA supporters, every worker thinks and acts on their own beliefs, and the will of the membership will prevail.

The reason I bring this up more than once is the fact that I personally witnessed the courier who picked up the ballots from the union hall, later that same evening at the Jimmy L's bar with Ed Wilson back in my TWU fear mongering days of a allegiance.

You have spewed much, but have yet to tell us how the ballots are secured from tampering when out of the control of the election committee. I have faith that the committee is honest and full of integrity. It is the outside of their control time that concerns me. How can I come down and witness that which takes place off the property?

 

[Checking it Out]

Dave wrote,

My Block Voting"?

You must have me confused with the Thought Police of the TWU.

I neither control votes or the minds of working people.

It is only in the TWU that inividuals have no voice or responsibility, and thus every occurrance is the fault of someone or something other than the membership will.

With AMFA supporters, every worker thinks and acts on their own beliefs, and the will of the membership will prevail.
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Than why are you supporting an organization that pressured Steve McFarland into not running for delle's position? It seems McCormick and Seham intimidated him into not running!!! Amfa the subsidiary of MAG?????

Why is it every time you attempt to support this organization they have skeletons in the closet???????

Also the lists put out by Rogers and others are not an attempt to block vote?

 

[Mark Inman]

How did McCormick and Seaham pressure McFarland in to not running, explain your self. I would love to see the evidence of that allegation. That’s the problem with you TWU supporters is you don't have prof of any of your allegation. I talked to Steve just 3 weeks ago and he never mention to me any pressure from McCormick or Seaham. NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!!

 

[Decision 2004]

Than why are you supporting an organization that pressured Steve McFarland into not running for delle's position? It seems McCormick and Seham intimidated him into not running!!! Amfa the subsidiary of MAG?????

Why is it every time you attempt to support this organization they have skeletons in the closet???????

Also the lists put out by Rogers and others are not an attempt to block vote?

Post your proof! What "seems" to be to you and the truth are always two different things.

I am sure that McFarland made his own decision. Of course given your liberal continuance that nobody is responsible for their own actions and somebody or something is always to blame for everything, then maybe an alien mother ship took Steve and brainwashed him.

Truth is, after his trip to D.C. he likely went for a position he might actually stand a chance to win.

He is running for Asst. National Director you know?

You have alot of nerve attacking AMFA for National Officer Elections, when your own TWU does not even provide us a ballot for our International Reps. Or was that George W. Bush's fault that we dont get to vote on Hall, O'brien, Kerrigan, Little, Yingst, Gless, Drummond, ect.?

BTW, who's fault is that Jim Little once claimed in writing that the TWU Constitution requires membership ratification of changes or amendments to the Labor Agreement and then later submitted an affidavit in Federal Court claiming exactly the opposite? Who's fault is is that he said a re-vote is the only way to legitimize the ratification of our current agreement, only to sign off without further ratification only days later?

 

[Checking it Out]

Post your proof! What "seems" to be to you and the truth are always two different things.

I am sure that McFarland made his own decision. Of course given your liberal continuance that nobody is responsible for their own actions and somebody or something is always to blame for everything, then maybe an alien mother ship took Steve and brainwashed him.

Truth is, after his trip to D.C. he likely went for a position he might actually stand a chance to win.

He is running for Asst. National Director you know?

You have alot of nerve attacking AMFA for National Officer Elections, when your own TWU does not even provide us a ballot for our International Reps. Or was that George W. Bush's fault that we don't get to vote on Hall, O'brien, Kerrigan, Little, Yingst, Gless, Drummond, ect.?

BTW, who's fault is that Jim Little once claimed in writing that the TWU Constitution requires membership ratification of changes or amendments to the Labor Agreement and then later submitted an affidavit in Federal Court claiming exactly the opposite? Who's fault is is that he said a re-vote is the only way to legitimize the ratification of our current agreement, only to sign off without further ratification only days later?

Actually I have been told this and the source is credible, I have no reason to make this up, I do believe conversations took place and Steve was advised as you say to take a lessor position. Pressure, Think about it! Their is a growing animosity against this group within Amfa and look at the lost revenue McCormick and Seham will be losing if Steve got in and eliminated their contracts?

Are you aware, at the TWU the President has not run unopposed! Why is their a difference?

I believe when you jumped in to the Amfa arena in 1999 you believed Amfa was a good thing. Well that Amfa is no longer in existence. Amfa is now controlled by the McCormick group and Seham offices. In turn have expanded out and is now becoming an organization you tell us you despise. Tell us it ain't so?

By the way, You really didn't answer the question instead you attacked the TWU! Why is this?

 

[Decision 2004]

Actually I have been told this and the source is credible, I have no reason to make this up, I do believe conversations took place and Steve was advised as you say to take a lessor position. Pressure, Think about it! Their is a growing animosity against this group within Amfa and look at the lost revenue McCormick and Seham will be losing if Steve got in and eliminated their contracts?

Are you aware, at the TWU the President has not run unopposed! Why is their a difference?

I believe when you jumped in to the Amfa arena in 1999 you believed Amfa was a good thing. Well that Amfa is no longer in existence. Amfa is now controlled by the McCormick group and Seham offices. In turn have expanded out and is now becoming an organization you tell us you despise. Tell us it ain't so?

By the way, You really didn't answer the question instead you attacked the TWU! Why is this?

IT AINT SO!

Also, I have been told by a credible source that you had an acting role in the movie Deliverance. Does this make it so?

I will e-mail Steve and get a response from the horses mouth!

You dont answer my questions, instead you claim legitimate questions are an attack on the TWU. Why is this?

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

CIO, I wouldn't be talking about skeletons if I were you. The TWU has plenty of skeletons in it's own closets. All you have to do is look at the fraudulent voter lists that the TWU/AA provided to the NMB.

 

[Decision 2004]

Actually I have been told this and the source is credible, I have no reason to make this up, I do believe conversations took place and Steve was advised as you say to take a lessor position. Pressure, Think about it! Their is a growing animosity against this group within Amfa and look at the lost revenue McCormick and Seham will be losing if Steve got in and eliminated their contracts?

Your credible source and you are now about to be given a huge reality check.

Hi Dave,



Good to hear from you.



The persons claiming to have credible source information that I was pressured or threatened into not running for AMFA national director are liars.



My decision to run for assistant national director instead of national director had a lot to do with Dell’s popularity. Quite frankly, I didn’t believe I could win the position. At the 2004 convention I was nominated for both positions. After much consideration I decided the best course of action was to run for the assistant position.



My desire is to contribute to our Association’s future. My belief is that I have a decent chance of winning the assistant director’s position. In that role I can learn from Dell and can prepare myself for the day when Dell decides he is ready to step down.



At no time was I threatened or pressured not to run for national director by anyone and I defy the persons who claim otherwise to step forward and prove me wrong.



Respectfully,



Steve MacFarlane

PS – Feel free to give my e-mail address to anyone seeking the truth in this matter.

Well, well CIO, can you get anymore credible than the man himself? I didn't think so, you and your "source" are liars just like Jim Little. Or was Jim Little your credible source to begin with?

Anyway, if you or anyone else wants to verify this information then here is the e-mail address:

[email protected]

HAVE AN AMFA DAY!

 

[Checking it Out]

Dave apparrently you took my comment Pressure and decided to enclude threatened into it, Apparently you have twisted the facts when you wrote to Steve! When organizing, you are not accountable. But when you present an arbitration case you have to have your facts straight!

Steve did have the conversations with McCormick and Seham and Delle is still running unopposed. Is this democracy? Right now amfa is in a 6 month limbo! Like Here in Tulsa, It seems everyone is sitting on the edge of the chair waiting to see who is going to be representing them!

McCORMICK AND SEHAM HAVE A LOT TO LOSE IF DELLE IS REPLACED!

 

[Bob Owens]

Actually I have been told this and the source is credible,

OK, what is your "source" and exactly what was said?

I have no reason to make this up,

You must be joking! You have every reason to make up lies, you desperately want to keep the TWU in place at any price. THe truth certainly does not help your arguement.

I do believe conversations took place and Steve was advised as you say to take a lessor position.

Sure, maybe they did, or maybe it was ultimately a strategic move on the part of McFarland, similar to Edwards not opposing Kerry. Pressure? No pressure is when the ruling elite (Sonny's gang) systematically eliminate or threaten to eliminate potential rivals. Sonny has threatened several Local 100 officers, had his allies in management terminate rivals, some of whom were Union officers(Toussaint, the Local 501 E-board for example), and personally removed other officers(Schalk & I), used audits as a means of trying to intimidate locals (he must think that all union officers are crooks like him that have something to hide) all of whom were rivals at the last Convention or critics of the current International administration. So how many of Delles rivals, officers elected by popular vote has Delle removed?

Pressure, Think about it! Their is a growing animosity against this group within Amfa and look at the lost revenue McCormick and Seham will be losing if Steve got in and eliminated their contracts?

How much would they be losing? Are AMFAs administration costs more or less than the TWUs? Has Steve stated that he wants to get rid of McCormick and Seham?

Are you aware, at the TWU the President has not run unopposed! Why is their a difference?

Who ran against Sonny in 1997?

Show me the ballots to any TWU Presidential election. I have in my possesion a Ballot for the AMFA Natiuonal elections. A secret ballott for the election of the top officers of AMFA. This is something that NO TWU member in the ATD has ever recieved! In fact no delegate has ever received such a ballott. With the TWU, the International has the means and the ability to record how each delegate votes, but the members do not. THis allows the Hall gang to target opponents.

Toussaint ran against Hall in 2001, Sonny's gang voilated their own rules and had literature accusing Toussaint and Local 100 of being friends of Bin Laden. The Lirterature was placed on all the tables during a recess where the room was cleared and under surveilance from Mike Bakalas security, in other words there is no way that they could not have known who put that stuff out. Sonny lied to the whole Convention and said that he would discipline "those responsible". It was later revealed that Taust wrote it and Bakala had it distributed. Sonny did nothing, both are still in office and no charges were brought against either of them.

Since the Convention, Hall has consistantly attacked the leadership of Local 100, torpedoed their Contract negotiations, tried to split off the Bus division of Local 100 into a seperate local-(rejected by the membership), had his management friends at AA fire Jack Sullivan, who ran for Treasurer against Kerrigan, interfered and placed an International lackey in the Presidents slot of Local 234 and removed me from office(I had lobbied hard among the Line Locals and was able to pursuade the Line Locals to vote in favor of most of Toussants ticket).

Can you cite any similar action at AMFA?

I believe when you jumped in to the Amfa arena in 1999 you believed Amfa was a good thing. Well that Amfa is no longer in existence. Amfa is now controlled by the McCormick group and Seham offices. In turn have expanded out and is now becoming an organization you tell us you despise. Tell us it ain't so?

There is no doubt that AMFA has and will continue to change. However one thing that has not changes is that the claim that the members control AMFA is not just lip service like at the TWU. The TWU tells members that they have control, however when ever the elected representatives try to put that into practice the TWU testifies in court thats not the case. All you have to do is look at all the court cases that have been heard against the International. Time and time again you will see the TWU lies. Her are two of their favorites.

"The members have the right to vote on any and all contracts"

The TWU testified in court that the members do not have the right to vote on contracts, they cited other court cases that upheld this(although the assumption of the court obviously was that Union leaders were accountable to the members) and stated that the TWU Constitution language that states that the members have this right only applies to completely "new" contracts, as you know, under the RLA contracts do not expire, the bemome amendable, there fore we never have the right with the TWU to vote on our contracts.

"The Presidents council has control of your contract."

The court has cited that according to the TWU constitution the Presidents council is a body with no authority over the contract or the Constitution. This has been cited on multiple occasions such as when Sonny Hall, over the opposition of the Presidents council split several locals up and in the recent 501 lawsuit where the Judge explicitly stated that the local is not a party to the contract.


By the way, You really didn't answer the question instead you attacked the TWU! Why is this?

Look who is talking!

 

[Nightwatch]

Point is once again Delle runs unopposed, such a sweet deal, a pure demonstration of democracy. I hear Castro is starting to get envious. You AMFA guys are alright in my book, holy moly.