AAA ALPA Thread 9/28 to 10/5

[exB717Flyer]

I can't help but wonder if this turned out well for them.

Many got good jobs, many didn't, many are accepting recall to AA, many won't. I ended up at America West. Anything else you're wondering about?

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Yea, how did the fence around STL work out?

 

[dariencc]

Wait a minute.

"Started the work" to file the Form 1? As in, it is not yet filed as of today, 9/30/07?

I am pretty sure last week you posted the Form 1 was ACTUALLY FILED.

Can you clarify? Which is it?

I thought the same thing, and actually told several people that I had read comments to that effect from "USA320Pilot." Now he denies having said it. I looked and can't find a post where he says anything of the sort.

He might have gone back and amended his post to erase any trace of the misinformation. The other possibility is that his poor language skills left readers confused as to his true intent.

Get used to the second scenario. We've been scratching our heads for years trying to decypher his nonsensical posts.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Yea, how did the fence around STL work out?

So far, so good. Since the ex-TWAers enjoy super-seniority in STL the nAAtives there will eventually bid out, excepting the few whose reside there. There's a vocal movement that thinks we still got too good of a deal and wants the fences abolished. Since the integration wasn't negotiated or arbitrated we are vulnerable to their whims. Any more questions?

 

[Bear96]

I thought the same thing, and actually told several people that I had read comments to that effect from "USA320Pilot." Now he denies having said it. I looked and can't find a post where he says anyting of the sort.

He might have gone back and amended his post to erase any trace of the misinformation.

Yes, I thought the same thing. (SOMEthing prompted me to post the link in that thread to the NMB website about weekly filings to verify whether USAPA actually filed!) But, if he really didn't say that, my apology to him still stands.

The other possibility is that his poor language skills left readers confused as to his true intent.

Get used to the second scenario. We've been scratching our heads for years trying to decypher his nonsensical posts.

That thought crossed my mind too -- maybe he ALMOST said it, but not quite, and the poor wording of the post left everyone confused. He does that often, whether by design or as a result of sloppy writing (I am still not sure which).

 

[dariencc]

That thought crossed my mind too -- maybe he ALMOST said it, but not quite, and the poor wording of the post left everyone confused. He does that often, whether by design or as a result of sloppy writing (I am still not sure which).

You will learn that it is sloppy writing. He is not clever enough to confuse by design.

 

[Phoenix]

Or a East disinformation campaign hiding behind an internet address and a one-time poster here.....

Those of us that worked hard for the AWAPA campaign know these tactics all too well.

It can't be 320, because he never uses "too" correctly. (He always uses "to" when he should use "too") And it can't be me cause I am too cheap to pay to have a new user name! Come to think of it, who on the East could afford a new username? I mean, only someone from the West who isn't on LOA93 wages could afford it. Must be legit!

 

[nostradamus]

Just to be accurate, 2/3 of the TWA pilots were stapled and a protective fence erected around STL.

"Effective 2003, American and its affiliated regional carriers will reduce the number of departures from Lambert Airport to 207 from 417; American also will end nonstop service to 27 airports."

American reduces STL hub article 7/16/03

 

[Phoenix]

..
An inquiry was made, and ALPA International has determined that our Strike Prep events for parity, outside of JNC talks, flies in the face of an EC resolution. The result being ALPA International will not post press releases, will not send any ALPA staff for video and there will be no distribution of information on our fight for equal pay to brother and sister union pilots.
...

Imagine that.. it appears that the EC has discovered they have something a little more substantial than a simple guidline in their pants after all.

 

[nostradamus]

What actually screwed the TWA pilots was not understanding that Wilder didn't work for us, he worked for Duane Woerth.Wilder works for whomever pays his bills. He's no different than most lawyers. No doubt he also knows his lawsuit is meritless. Once again, your anger is misdirected.

You mean ALPA would not have the Usairways pilots interest in mind?
You mean lawyers would do this?

Thank you for your condescending tone. And thank you for providing credibility do USAPA. Duane Woerth was a scumbag just like Prater, at least he shunned the animal on his head like Prater has.

 

[nostradamus]

Thanks for noticing, genius. I pointed this out in June:

I was defrosting my freezer the night you posted this.

 

[nostradamus]

What actually screwed the TWA pilots was not understanding that Wilder didn't work for us, he worked for Duane Woerth.

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QUOTE(Winglet @ May 9 2005, 03:38 AM)
I suppose that could be the case if US Air employees, like TWA employees, sign-away their contractural rights in order to facilitate the deal.
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Funny how this urban legend keeps resurfacing. The saying "History is written by the victors" comes to mind. The TWA MEC gave up our successorship clauses under threat of abrogation of our entire contract. Carty and the judge would've made the sale go through regardless and didn't need any "facilitation" from the TWA employees. The Section 1113 bankruptcy proceedings were unprecedented and our MEC under duress -- it seemed like the right thing to do at the time especially since our ALPA-supplied attorney adviced us to do it.

BTW I've just finished my first year at AWA so I'm a very interested party in how this all goes down.


Nostradamus says

Congratulations on finishing your three years with AWA. No one can possibly confuse your wisdom, with greed now, could they?

 

[EastUS]

The Section 1113 bankruptcy proceedings were unprecedented and our MEC under duress -- it seemed like the right thing to do at the time especially since our ALPA-supplied attorney adviced us to do it.

BTW I've just finished my first year at AWA so I'm a very interested party in how this all goes down.
Nostradamus says

Congratulations on finishing your three years with AWA. No one can possibly confuse your wisdom, with greed now, could they?

Imagine that?...an Alpo-supplied attorney selling people out?

Hmmm...three whole years?..That'd seemingly come under the heading of "Without the merger........As a three year FO...you probably wouldn't have a job". Sounds like an instant two decades of "seniority" for him makes perfect sense.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

So far, so good. Since the ex-TWAers enjoy super-seniority in STL the nAAtives there will eventually bid out, excepting the few whose reside there. There's a vocal movement that thinks we still got too good of a deal and wants the fences abolished. Since the integration wasn't negotiated or arbitrated we are vulnerable to their whims. Any more questions?

All sounds rosy to me.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Just to be accurate, 2/3 of the TWA pilots were stapled

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