AAA ALPA Thread 9/28 to 10/5

[N924PS]

Bear 96,

Bear 96 said: "I am pretty sure last week you posted the Form 1 was ACTUALLY FILED. Can you clarify? Which is it?"

USA320Pilot comments: Either you're mistaken, purposely argumentative, or misrepresenting information (again). I said the process has started, which it has. With all due respect, maybe you should do a little research before you post.

It takes an enormous amount of work and time to kick a union off of the property by a grass roots effort. The USAPA Officers, attorney's, and consultants are preparing the application and eliminating objections during the East & West seniority list audit. USAPA's advisors have briefed the Board on measures ALPA is expected to take to try to keep the US Airways pilots in the Association -- even though the majority of pilots want nothing to do with ALPA. It will be very important to be able to effectively counter ALPA's objections and is prudent to be fully prepared.

Furthermore, with new pilots from the West now assisting the process USAPA needs a little more time to audit the West seniority list, which will dramatically increase the chances ALPA will be gone, nonetheless, the final process has begun!

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Greetings Spinmeister,


Hate to burst your bubble, but in talking to numerous East pilots, I have learned that although many East pilots have submitted cards in an effort to shake things up over at ALPA HQ, most are NOT in favor of actually voting for decertification of ALPA as their representative union.

And probably the only card received from the West is from HH, your alter-ego from HP.

The final process may have begun, but the outcome, will not be the one you are so eager to embrace.

It will be close, if an election even comes, but ALPA will prevail on USAirways.

 

[hp_fa]

Greetings Spinmeister,
Hate to burst your bubble, but in talking to numerous East pilots, I have learned that although many East pilots have submitted cards in an effort to shake things up over at ALPA HQ, most are NOT in favor of actually voting for decertification of ALPA as their representative union.

Yeah, I suggested this scenario a long time ago.

 

[sharktooth]

Interestingly the law firm Usairways ALPA chose is the same one who represented TWA merger with American Airlines. For those folks that are not in this business here are the facts. TWA was represented by ALPA, the great airline pilot association, American Airlines is not part of ALPA. TWA pilots were put on the bottom of the list after the merger.

What smells bad is the same law firm that represented TWA, an ALPA carrier that was put on the bottom of the list of the non alpa carrier American Airlines is now "representing" Usairways ALPA pilots. Baptiste and Wilder. They are representing ALPA Usairways pilots who are being condemned by the National ALPA. which represents the Usairways on the national level and they are fighting the local ALPA mec.

BS all of it.

TWA pilots screwed by ALPA and Baptiste and Wilder

Didn't Piedmont do something similar to the Empire "merger"?

 

[700UW]

Empire's pilots were non-union and they only kept their seniority while they stayed on the F28, otherwise I believe they were stapled to the bottom.

 

[Junebug172]

What's up ladies!!!!!!

I just got back from the cornfield and was wondering if I missed anything.

Are we USAPA yet?

 

[awapilotsforusapa]

Fellow pilots,

We are the America West Pilots for the US Airline Pilots Association.

Many of us joined this group because we are tired of ALPA and their political structure. We are tired of nationals influence which has brought substandard wages and working conditions to our airline. And most of all, we are tired of our out of control MEC officers and reps who think they can dictate our future to us.

Yesterday we started our campaign to help our east brothers win this battle against ALPA and our ineffective and self-serving leadership. One of our members submitted the recall of all four LC62 reps. He feels strongly for our cause and took this brave step because he knows that ALPA is a dead end road. He's also brave enough to stand up to the contract cram down that we all know is coming just to accept the Nicolau award.

We will help our USAPA brothers to validate cards and work with them to bring a real union to the property that keeps dues dollars here where they belong.

In the next few weeks you will see a lot of rhetoric from the ALPA cheerleaders. They will try to instill fear of job loss and everything else just to get you to keep them in office. Those of us that worked hard for the AWAPA campaign know these tactics all too well.

Please support us on this mission. It's not about Nicolau. Though the AWA MEC and national would like you to think it is. It's about our future and dollars in your pocket.

The Nicolau award should not be used to divide the east and west groups from getting a real union.

The time has come. A brave junior first officer at AWA made the first step by submitting the recalls.

Sincerely,

The AWA pilots in support of USAPA.

[email protected]

 

[USA320Pilot]

Awapilotsforusapa,

Welcome aboard and we are glad to have you part of the team. And, I find it interesting that people like and will likely be squirming with the recalls formally on the agenda.

As far as USAPA filing the NMB Form 1 and the timing, after the NMB election request is submitted an Authorization Card count happens very quickly, so everything must be ready to go before official NMB notification.

The NMB handbook says “upon receipt of a proper application, an identification number will be assigned and preliminary correspondence will be initiated.†“Within 5 days of the date of the NMB’s initial correspondence, the representatives of the participants who have not done so must file a notice of Appearance with NMB, including name title, address, telephone and email address.†“The NMB will assign an investigator to the case.†“Participants in a representational case must comply with the time limits established by the investigator.†“The Investigator will determine the scope and the form of the investigation including whether to conduct the investigation on siteâ€.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Moderator note:
ONCE AGAIN NO NAME POSTING ON THIS BOARD. TIME OFF IS WAITING.

 

[sharktooth]

Empire's pilots were non-union and they only kept their seniority while they stayed on the F28, otherwise I believe they were stapled to the bottom.

Sorry, I believe the Empire pilots were ALPA, by six days.

 

[hp_fa]

Fellow pilots,

We are the America West Pilots for the US Airline Pilots Association.

Or a East disinformation campaign hiding behind an internet address and a one-time poster here.....

 

[exB717Flyer]

Interestingly the law firm Usairways ALPA chose is the same one who represented TWA merger with American Airlines.

Thanks for noticing, genius. I pointed this out in June: http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...wilder&st=0

TWA pilots were put on the bottom of the list after the merger.

Just to be accurate, 2/3 of the TWA pilots were stapled and a protective fence erected around STL. For comparison, exactly ZERO active USAirways pilots were stapled.

What smells bad is the same law firm that represented TWA, an ALPA carrier that was put on the bottom of the list of the non alpa carrier American Airlines is now "representing" Usairways ALPA pilots.

There's only a handful of lawyers knowledgable and experienced enough for high-profile union work. What actually screwed the TWA pilots was not understanding that Wilder didn't work for us, he worked for Duane Woerth.

They are representing ALPA Usairways pilots who are being condemned by the National ALPA. which represents the Usairways on the national level and they are fighting the local ALPA mec.

Wilder works for whomever pays his bills. He's no different than most lawyers. No doubt he also knows his lawsuit is meritless. Once again, your anger is misdirected.

 

[exB717Flyer]

We are the America West Pilots for the US Airline Pilots Association.

Very funny. The internet is great, every looney gets his opinion in print.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Just to be accurate, 2/3 of the TWA pilots were stapled and a protective fence erected around STL.

I can't help but wonder if this turned out well for them.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Awapilotsforusapa,

Welcome aboard and we are glad to have you part of the team. And, I find it interesting that people likeand will likely be squirming with the recalls formally on the agenda.

As far as USAPA filing the NMB Form 1 and the timing, after the NMB election request is submitted an Authorization Card count happens very quickly, so everything must be ready to go before official NMB notification.

The NMB handbook says “upon receipt of a proper application, an identification number will be assigned and preliminary correspondence will be initiated.†“Within 5 days of the date of the NMB’s initial correspondence, the representatives of the participants who have not done so must file a notice of Appearance with NMB, including name title, address, telephone and email address.†“The NMB will assign an investigator to the case.†“Participants in a representational case must comply with the time limits established by the investigator.†“The Investigator will determine the scope and the form of the investigation including whether to conduct the investigation on siteâ€.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

I don't think this is exactly correct. The applicant gets up to 14 days after the single carrier status is declared by the NMB to submit additional cards as an amendment to the application for election.

The NMB first has to determine if a single transportation system exists before ordering an election. It obviously does because of the single certificate but it must be declared such by the NMB. If that process takes 30 days for example, then USAPA could continue submitting additional cards for another 44 days. In an airline merger the NMB has to wait for the election application to be filed before deciding the single carrier designation.

Nice to see some of the smarter AWA pilots finally joining the USAPA revolution!

Later,

Eye

 

[WOpropTrash]

Fellow pilots,

We are the America West Pilots for the US Airline Pilots Association.

LOL!!! Like maybe the Jews for Hitler group. Come on you guys can do better than this.

These kids today. As someone else once said, it must be the light beer and MTV!!!!!

Does someone not realize the definition of "BINDING ARBITRATION?" Just Maybe, someone rolled the dice and doesn't like craps!

The rest of the world thinks maybe someone is refusing to face reality!

 

[Biteback]

I don't think this is exactly correct. The applicant gets up to 14 days after the single carrier status is declared by the NMB to submit additional cards as an amendment to the application for election.

The NMB first has to determine if a single transportation system exists before ordering an election. It obviously does because of the single certificate but it must be declared such by the NMB. If that process takes 30 days for example, then USAPA could continue submitting additional cards for another 44 days. In an airline merger the NMB has to wait for the election application to be filed before deciding the single carrier designation.

Nice to see some of the smarter AWA pilots finally joining the USAPA revolution!

Later,

Eye