which will it be? the ta or term sheet?

[aapitbull]

Not true. The judge rules on abrogating the CBA only, he does write a contract or rule on individual items to change. The Company has the right to implement changes and disregard the entire contract if they want. We also have the right to continue negotiating after abrogation however the Company not give us what is in the Final Best Offer. The FBO is an "offer" not the "ask" that's in the 1113c filing.

Look read the opinion it is written by your attorney Sharon Levine it is clear even to a #### house attorney what she is saying Read and comprehend.


"Previously it was unclear what right a debtor has to impose employment terms after exhausting the §1113 process. Did the debtor have the right unilaterally to impose any conditions? Or could the debtor impose the terms of its very first §1113 proposal? Judge Gropper’s decision makes clear that it is the terms of the last tentative agreement or if there is none, the debtor’s last proposal, that the debtor may impose."

 

[aapitbull]

Not true. The judge rules on abrogating the CBA only, he does write a contract or rule on individual items to change. The Company has the right to implement changes and disregard the entire contract if they want. We also have the right to continue negotiating after abrogation however the Company not give us what is in the Final Best Offer. The FBO is an "offer" not the "ask" that's in the 1113c filing.

Now I know you are here to sale this sh#t Sandwich but just because AA puts something in their 1113c filing does not mean it is going to happen so go blow smoke up someone elses a@@!

 

[Mr Red]

Now I know you are here to sale this sh#t Sandwich but just because AA puts something in their 1113c filing does not mean it is going to happen so go blow smoke up someone elses a@@!

If contract was abrogated TWU would no longer be a dues collecter at AA !!!

 

[TWU informer]

Not true. The judge rules on abrogating the CBA only, he does write a contract or rule on individual items to change. The Company has the right to implement changes and disregard the entire contract if they want. We also have the right to continue negotiating after abrogation however the Company not give us what is in the Final Best Offer. The FBO is an "offer" not the "ask" that's in the 1113c filing.

This crap ranks right up there with the claim that James C. Little's without further ratification signature on the 2003 concessions for jobs saved 10,000 jobs and three maintenance bases.

Stupid is as Stupid Does.

If your opinion was fact, the Pilots and F/A's would be in just as big a hurry to suck the company butt as Little is.

I don't see the other work groups running like chickens with their heads removed....It is only the TWU doing so.

Just try to apply simple logic and stop listening to the FEAR MONGERS.

 

[Overspeed]

Now I know you are here to sale this sh#t Sandwich but just because AA puts something in their 1113c filing does not mean it is going to happen so go blow smoke up someone elses a@@!

Test me if you want. All the sh*t house advice we get here like, "BK is just a threat, full retro, and there is money on the table," all came true right?

Not trying to sell. Even your hero Bob has said the entire contract is thrown out. Chuck, TWU Informer, and Bob are saying the whole contract is out the window as well.

 

[Overspeed]

This crap ranks right up there with the claim that James C. Little's without further ratification signature on the 2003 concessions for jobs saved 10,000 jobs and three maintenance bases.

Stupid is as Stupid Does.

If your opinion was fact, the Pilots and F/A's would be in just as big a hurry to suck the company butt as Little is.

I don't see the other work groups running like chickens with their heads removed....It is only the TWU doing so.

Just try to apply simple logic and stop listening to the FEAR MONGERS.

Pilots and F/As aren't getting slammed on jobs like we are. I don't think anyone has figured out how to outsource pilot jobs to China yet...

 

[aapitbull]

Test me if you want. All the sh*t house advice we get here like, "BK is just a threat, full retro, and there is money on the table," all came true right?

Not trying to sell. Even your hero Bob has said the entire contract is thrown out. Chuck, TWU Informer, and Bob are saying the whole contract is out the window as well.

Well call me crazy but I will follow the legal precedent and what the attorneys say. as I said the most likely outcome is that they will impose the last best offer I did not say beyond a shadow of a doubt but the NWA Vs AFA case certainly gives you a legal bases to stand on and is the most likely outcome.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

You think Local 514 will let us use the sign shop to make some "Vote No" signs????

 

[aapitbull]

Pilots and F/As aren't getting slammed on jobs like we are. I don't think anyone has figured out how to outsource pilot jobs to China yet...

And if we vote yes all we have to go on is the good word of horton that he will not outsource all the jobs we think we saved just like in 2003 No thanks I will pass and continue the fight in court.

 

[aapitbull]

You think Local 514 will let us use the sign shop to make some "Vote No" signs????

I believe the N stenicils are hidden behind the big picture and you need 2 union officers and jim littles key to get it out, so I do not think we will see any vote no or say no or even think no signs anytime soon.

I'm Just Saying!!!

 

[Mr Red]

And if we vote yes all we have to go on is the good word of horton that he will not outsource all the jobs we think we saved just like in 2003 No thanks I will pass and continue the fight in court.

They no longer deserve the name AMERICAN AIRLINES ! Let then liqidate !

 

[OldGuy@AA]

And if we vote yes all we have to go on is the good word of horton that he will not outsource all the jobs we think we saved just like in 2003 No thanks I will pass and continue the fight in court.

The only way I see where we can't win is to vote yes. Ask yourself why the pilots and F/As are not folding up the tents. We are being sold out again. If this thing flies be prepared to live with it for 10 years or more. Can you afford to be making less and less money each and every year? You will if you vote yes. They will jack the medical to eat up all of those 41cent an hour raises they have generously offered. This will destroy the whole pay structure of the industry!!! Think about it.... We were the first to give up free medical. We were the first to have a B scale and the last to get rid of it. We are the first to allow SRPs on the property. We must stop lowering the bar!!! VOTE NO!!!!!

 

[texasreb]

Well call me crazy but I will follow the legal precedent and what the attorneys say. as I said the most likely outcome is that they will impose the last best offer I did not say beyond a shadow of a doubt but the NWA Vs AFA case certainly gives you a legal bases to stand on and is the most likely outcome.

So what's your point. Either way we are getting a six year contract. Just ask the United mechanics.

 

[AANOTOK]

The Process
Negotiations Updates



May 1, 2012

"Today the TWU is sharing proposals with its members that would save more than 3,000 jobs and are the result of weeks of focused negotiations between the union and American Airlines. These offers illustrate our commitment to reaching consensual agreements with all of our unions, and if ratified, would help American reach necessary costs savings and address many of the union’s needs, including immediate assurance that thousands of TWU members keep good jobs at American.

These offers are based on the TWU’s assurances it can cooperatively reach certain cost savings without some of the previously estimated furloughs. If the membership doesn’t ratify these proposals, American will revert to the March 22 term sheets."

 

[CMH_GSE]

The only way I see where we can't win is to vote yes. Ask yourself why the pilots and F/As are not folding up the tents. We are being sold out again. If this thing flies be prepared to live with it for 10 years or more. Can you afford to be making less and less money each and every year? You will if you vote yes. They will jack the medical to eat up all of those 41cent an hour raises they have generously offered. This will destroy the whole pay structure of the industry!!! Think about it.... We were the first to give up free medical. We were the first to have a B scale and the last to get rid of it. We are the first to allow SRPs on the property. We must stop lowering the bar!!! VOTE NO!!!!!

This is a WRONG statement.
One of the differences in voting "yes" is the medical costs are frozen at 21% for the duration of the 6 year contract.
In about 3 years you are going to realize how much that means because Obamacare is about explode the cost of medical insurance.