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Either you are not an American flight attendant or you must have been on the sick list the day the former TWA flight attendants were added to our seniority list at the bottom. I am senior (for bidding purposes) to the most senior of the former TWs. Not by much, but I am senior to all of the former TW f/as. They received credit for their years at TW in company seniority (for benefits, like retirement and travel), but not for bidding purposes.I am "just north" of the middle of the 2800. Last June when they published the 2011 Seniority List I was 1601 from the bottom of the active list. However, some of those below me have left since then--particularly former TW people who were forced to endure 5 weeks of training (at company expense) in order to get one day on the payroll so they could retire. I'm guessing that I am about 1500-1550 from the bottom right now. Depending on how the current OLOA/partnership flying proffer goes, I will be even closer on April 2nd.
The most junior TWA flight attendant has 27 years DOH. You are way below that.
Yes, but the 500 who are subject to furlough on 01APR are not included in the 2300. The company made that specific when they announced the beginning of the furlough process to be effective 01APR. That's where people are getting numbers higher than 2300. I agree that 2500 is wrong. It's actually 2800.Thanks for making my point. 2300, NOT 2500. There is even a thread on here just about the job loss totals/requests from AA.
Yes, but the 500 who are subject to furlough on 01APR are not included in the 2300. The company made that specific when they announced the beginning of the furlough process to be effective 01APR. That's where people are getting numbers higher than 2300. I agree that 2500 is wrong. It's actually 2800.
The 2300 is the number by which the company wants to permanently reduce the total f/a corps. This is their estimate of how many positions would be saved by having a combined f/a corps and not have to maintain two separate groups of reserves.
When the union says that 3000 would retire if the company would offer a package and then the company could immediately hire 500 f/as at new hire wages, it's just not so. As of 01Jan2012 there were still 217 f/as on the furlough list with a possibility of up to 500 more going on furlough 01APR. Those f/as would still have to be recalled before the company could hire again. If it is as many as 700 on the furlough list, we are back over the 2300 that the company wants gone.
Just a thought: Do you honestly think the company wants to be locked into not being able to hire again for AT LEAST 5 years? They have already agreed (in principle) to unlimited recall. The company wants to be able to hire off the street. And then you have those pesky little CMSs who are able to gain seniority and benefits while more senior are still on the street.
Those "pesky little CMs" triggered the recall of 200 additional FAs off the furlough list who obviously were not needed and who have just escaped furlough on 4/1. I think it's time we got over the CM issue.those pesky little CMSs
Those "pesky little CMs" triggered the recall of 200 additional FAs off the furlough list who obviously were not needed and who have just escaped furlough on 4/1. I think it's time we got over the CM issue.
MK
Given that AMR is apparently intend on winning back large corporate customers predominantly by restructuring labor contracts but operating a network that closely resembles the network that it had entering bankruptcy, we see a low probability of success
Probably not a discussion for this thread, but anyone who thinks AA is going to stick with the status quo on the network is an idiot. And I'm not exactly impressed with Keay's research, or that of anyone else who gets quoted on a regular basis by USA Today or Bloomberg... Real analysts (e.g. Gary Chase, Jamie Baker, Kevin Crissey) don't need to give away their analysis in McPaper, mainly because they have people willing to pay for their opinions...
If AA haven't planned to expand beyond the present footprint, why go thru all the trouble of eliminating the commuter restrictions in the TWU contract, re-writing the cap on 88 seaters & below to be 50% of mainline aircraft, allowing for more domestic codesharing, etc.
DL and UA haven't made gains simply because they operate a lot of capacity in the top 20 markets. They've made gains because they also can offer a reasonable two-cabin product in markets which AA couldn't afford to serve with an MD80 and were beyond what Eagle could serve with a single cabin 50 seater.
Ironically, it appears that UA may be undoing some of those gains as the battle with their pilots over scope continues.
Again, it's off the topic, and been beaten to death elsewhere...
Of coarse YOU of all people would discount this analyst....I was expecting this. I don't see how any clear thinking individual cannot see this bankruptcy for what it is......American Airlines is attempting to get its lifetime dream of gutting ALL their labor contracts.