which will it be? the ta or term sheet?

[Hopeful]

Here ya go
http://twu514.org/blog/2012/05/01/twu-aa-bankruptcy-contract-language-side-by-side-comparisons-and-term-sheets/

This is unbelievable.....What these sheets are saying contradict what we all believe to occur...They are basically telling us that a NO vote will result in a "worse than the original term sheet."
It is as if the original term sheets were modified downward.

 

[BigMac]

This is unbelievable.....What these sheets are saying contradict what we all believe to occur...They are basically telling us that a NO vote will result in a "worse than the original term sheet."
It is as if the original term sheets were modified downward.

Hopeful, would you mind starting a new topic with this latest link? I am on my phone and it would take forever to start a new topic from this damn thing. I think the link would get overlooked in this topic. Thank you

 

[TWU informer]

This is unbelievable.....What these sheets are saying contradict what we all believe to occur...They are basically telling us that a NO vote will result in a "worse than the original term sheet."
It is as if the original term sheets were modified downward.

Everything written by the TWU is in direct conflict with what happend at Northwest Arilines.

And is also in direct conflict with what TWU BK Attorney Sharon Levine wrote in this article on October 2007

Sharon Levine Article

We have absolutley the WORST Union to ever exist on the Planet.

WE will watch this pass, and then will we watch the Pilots and Flight Attendants prove everything the TWU just published as false and incorrect.

Maybe, then AMFA will do a system wide mailout for card signers and the respresentation election we all desrve will finally happen.

We Are Totally Screwed By Our Own Union!!!!
Good Luck

 

[Hopeful]

Everything written by the TWU is in direct conflict with what happend at Northwest Arilines.

And is also in direct conflict with what TWU BK Attorney Sharon Levine wrote in this article on October 2007

Sharon Levine Article

We have absolutley the WORST Union to ever exist on the Planet.

WE will watch this pass, and then will we watch the Pilots and Flight Attendants prove everything the TWU just published as false and incorrect.

Maybe, then AMFA will do a system wide mailout for card signers and the respresentation election we all desrve will finally happen.

We Are Totally Screwed By Our Own Union!!!!
Good Luck

Unfrigginbelievable.....
Even the comany's Q&A stated that the term sheet is what would be imposed if abrogation occured. Now those original term sheets were altered? Was this a concession by the TWU? WTF?

 

[Hopeful]

Everything written by the TWU is in direct conflict with what happend at Northwest Arilines.

And is also in direct conflict with what TWU BK Attorney Sharon Levine wrote in this article on October 2007

Sharon Levine Article

We have absolutley the WORST Union to ever exist on the Planet.

WE will watch this pass, and then will we watch the Pilots and Flight Attendants prove everything the TWU just published as false and incorrect.

Maybe, then AMFA will do a system wide mailout for card signers and the respresentation election we all desrve will finally happen.

We Are Totally Screwed By Our Own Union!!!!
Good Luck

Read it thoroughly....It states, for instance, that a NO vote results in NO 401k Match!
NO profit sharing if a NO vote!
No paltry raise if a NO vote!

Seems we can't believe or TRUST ANYONE!

Unfrigginbelievable.....
Even the comany's Q&A stated that the term sheet is what would be imposed if abrogation occured. Now those original term sheets were altered? Was this a concession by the TWU? WTF?

 

[BigMac]

DEAR SISTERS AND BROTHERS,

This is one of the most critical letters I have ever sent to you. It is now time for you to vote.

At the start of this bankruptcy case, a very labor unfriendly process indeed, I made two promises.

First, it was clear that the TWU strategy needed to be one of maintaining all possible options, since the results of a bankruptcy on workers are always negative. We did just that. We are working on possible mergers, litigating in court, and have worked hard at the bargaining tables trying to limit as much as possible the harsh concessions sought by the Company.

Second, I guaranteed that you would vote on the Company’s last offer before the judge rules. It is important for you to have the final say as to whether we are going to approve the Company’s last concessionary offer (April 2012) or accept the risk of the judge rejecting our contract resulting in us working under the 1113 terms filed in court (identified in the March 22 ask).

Both situations are concessionary and painful. But there are huge differences between these two outcomes. WHETHER YOU VOTE “YES” OR “NO,” IT IS MOST CRITICAL THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS. Please review the enclosed materials, go online to review the full text changes and all the other posted information, and attend information sessions.

There are a few key points I want to highlight:

This vote has NOTHING to do with a possible

US Airways merger; and even a YES vote will

not prevent the possible US Airways merger.

The issues are legally unrelated. This vote is

only about what conditions we will work under

at AA, as there is no certainty a merger will

take place.

The bankruptcy judge DOES NOT decide what

the terms of our contract will be. If he rejects

our contract, we will have no contract. The

judge does not pick and choose between the

terms proposed by American or otherwise

rewrite its proposal – he will either grant AA’s

motion to reject or deny it.

Since large corporations almost always win

1113 cases according to past court decisions, it

is important for us to vote now before the

judge rules.

The decision to vote “yes” or “no” is yours alone and that is why we are not recommending any position. But, I do want you to review all the facts so you may cast an educated ballot.

This is your union. I await your directions.

Fraternally, James C. Little

 

[TWU informer]

Everything written by the TWU is in direct conflict with what happend at Northwest Arilines.

And is also in direct conflict with what TWU BK Attorney Sharon Levine wrote in this article on October 2007

Sharon Levine Article

We have absolutley the WORST Union to ever exist on the Planet.

WE will watch this pass, and then will we watch the Pilots and Flight Attendants prove everything the TWU just published as false and incorrect.

Maybe, then AMFA will do a system wide mailout for card signers and the respresentation election we all desrve will finally happen.

We Are Totally Screwed By Our Own Union!!!!
Good Luck

 

[dfw gen]

tell them to "pack sand" hell no.

 

[AANOTOK]

Cool...so fleet is the only workgroup getting it's pay slashed both hourly and longevity. Then gets a smaller raise 1% two years after other workgroup raises start kicking in. KMA TWU!

 

[Hopeful]

tell them to "pack sand" hell no.

Unfortunately, I see quite a few "YES" votes. FEAR!

 

[Hopeful]

Hopeful, would you mind starting a new topic with this latest link? I am on my phone and it would take forever to start a new topic from this damn thing. I think the link would get overlooked in this topic. Thank you

No problem..Done!

 

[BigMac]

Thank you sir

 

[Frank Szabo]

Everything written by the TWU is in direct conflict with what happend at Northwest Arilines.

And is also in direct conflict with what TWU BK Attorney Sharon Levine wrote in this article on October 2007

Sharon Levine Article

We have absolutley the WORST Union to ever exist on the Planet.

WE will watch this pass, and then will we watch the Pilots and Flight Attendants prove everything the TWU just published as false and incorrect.

Maybe, then AMFA will do a system wide mailout for card signers and the respresentation election we all desrve will finally happen.

We Are Totally Screwed By Our Own Union!!!!
Good Luck

I had read Levine's article some time ago and asked last night about how what happened at NWA applies to us.

It seems the twu is now saying (in conflict with Levine's article and their own advice of some time ago) we won't have a contract at all and the company will be free to do as it wishes and impose the original term sheet (not following precedent set in the NWA bankruptcy) even though being locked into negotiations with the company, should this TA not be passed so - the question remains - why is the twu putting lipstick on this pig when all that's required is a vote and acceptance by little jimmy afterward?

Per precident established by NWA, the POS we're supposedly going to vote on will be imposed if our contract is abrogated.

Is the twu afraid Judge Lane will not abrogate the contract? Why would they push so hard for acceptance if that wasn't the case?

Added 1205 - I remember reading, many years ago when I first hired on, the language of the prefunding scam. While I can't direct anyone to the document, I do remember language that stated if the company terminated the agreement, all monies (contributions plus company match) would be refunded to the participants. However - if WE agreed to the plan's termination, all that was due us was our contributions plus interest.

When one considers the size of that chunk of change it becomes evident why this TA has to be agreed to and not imposed. AMR stands to lose a considerable amount of money if we get the big bad contract imposed.

 

[TWU informer]

Maybe they want to spend their time and your money on Democrats and Politics since this is a Presidiential Election year?
They don't have time to represent your interest anymore this year. They have work to do.

 

[TWU informer]

How about more proof they are telling lies?

Check this compare chart for M&R
M&R Compare Chart

Then look under "Duration"

Duration
AA 1113(c) Proposal 3/22/12
(Effective with a “NO” Vote and Contract Rejection)

Company proposal seeks six year duration. TWU position is that
No vote leads to continued negotiations and no duration.

OR

AA “Final Best Offer” (April 2012)
(Effective with a “Yes” Vote)

Agreement covering 6 year period from Date of Signing. (with six (6)
month early opener)


Total BS Liars and Fearful Manipulators.

Worthy of nothing less than removal from the property as our Union.

Get the hell out of here.
No Contract Upon NO VOTE, My AA