West Pilots, Would you ever consider an AAADomicile?

[CactusFlyr]

Nice try, and utterly meaningless. Now to put the tiniest bit of actual credence to your notion = Agree to Fences...then; it isn't any issue. The very tone of your post reiterates the obscene injustice of the "Award"...."We won't REALLY come out there and steal your seniority...trust us". That aside..If AWA folks actually envision some/ANY happy ending here, with a reasonably negotiated joint contract..and since few of you supposedly want to come east...What's WRONG with establishing fences?

I'm fully ready for more "the Arbitrator said!!/Waaah...My Daddy Said!...We won the toss so Nyaaah!/etc" If you Gents and ladies actually want this to even possibly succeed as a viable airline....WTF's your communal problem with seeking out workable solutions to this mess?

Unfortunately, What I want is irrelevant.

 

[Hawkhunter]

I NEVER attack anyone personally. I wish you would not. You don't hear me putting down your sister trying to get at you. And the answer is "I don't know". I am just saying the time for negotiating was months ago. Your NC would not back off LOS, never mentioned a fence; and this is where we ended up. Have a nice day.

Why, is your sister a scab? And I say your original offer was even worse than what we got. I have explained this over and over. This is a complete windfall. You dont want to talk about fences, fine we will take care of the problem. By the way, those top 517 you people think are screwing you were flying for years at AAA before your scab airline was even started.Did you know there were even scabs at your airline? I guess not, which means your a newbie who just got a great Christmas present. Have a nice day.

 

[CactusFlyr]

Why, is your sister a scab? And I say your original offer was even worse than what we got. I have explained this over and over. This is a complete windfall. You dont want to talk about fences, fine we will take care of the problem. By the way, those top 517 you people think are screwing you were flying for years at AAA before your scab airline was even started.Did you know there were even scabs at your airline? I guess not, which means your a newbie who just got a great Christmas present. Have a nice day.

Sorry, No sisters. And there you go again. Have a nice day.

 

[CaptainZitface]

. You dont want to talk about fences, fine we will take care of the problem. your a newbie who just got a great Christmas present. Have a nice day.

We don't want to talk about fences because we don't have to. As far as you guys "taking care of the problem", you have a long history of shooting yourself in the foot (Shuttle Integration, LOA93, this arbitration) so that will be interesting to watch

If you're so miserable here why don't you take what's left of your pension and quit? I'm sure that an intelligent, professional and astute individual like yourself has spend the many decades employed at US properly planning for retirement, right? See, us young 'uns never had a pension so we have been planning for retirement ourselves. It's called taking charge of your own life.(It's probably not something you'd be interested in though, cause you wouldn't have anybody to blame if things didn't work out as you wanted)

These senile old farts repeating the same drivel over and over again on this board is the strongest evidence yet that we don't need to change the Age 60 rule.

 

[Hawkhunter]

We don't want to talk about fences because we don't have to. As far as you guys "taking care of the problem", you have a long history of shooting yourself in the foot (Shuttle Integration, LOA93, this arbitration) so that will be interesting to watch

If you're so miserable here why don't you take what's left of your pension and quit? I'm sure that an intelligent, professional and astute individual like yourself has spend the many decades employed at US properly planning for retirement, right? See, us young 'uns never had a pension so we have been planning for retirement ourselves. It's called taking charge of your own life.(It's probably not something you'd be interested in though, cause you wouldn't have anybody to blame if things didn't work out as you wanted)

These senile old farts repeating the same drivel over and over again on this board is the strongest evidence yet that we don't need to change the Age 60 rule.

Sorry to tell you this but I still have 14 years to go. I dought anything will change so good for you. Do you think we are going to welcome you out east? Good luck pal. I just hope I get to meet some of you loud mouthed pr#@ks someday.

 

[EastUS]

Sorry to tell you this but I still have 14 years to go. I dought anything will change so good for you. Do you think we are going to welcome you out east? Good luck pal. I just hope I get to meet some of you loud mouthed pr#@ks someday.

Hawkhunter: Don't bother, I've met a few...and there are laws against child abuse. I now feel that this is a cultural, even generational divide of epic proportions. The vast majority of these guys seem to have hatched from commuter flying into what they perceive/fantasize to be some semblance of a stable/predictable/etc "real" airline, that finally pays them something for flying. For most: It's their first "Big League" experience. They're still seemingly at "that age" when it's all "new" and no/zip/zero vision of any long distance future's even possible for them. It seems that they're fully wrapped up in the fantasy that "We've just got to work on a contract now"..and pretty much have ZERO clue as to the sentiment out east as to that complete absurdity...much less the respective numbers ratio east-west. The communal assumption feeding said fantasy is that, at some level..we're "like them", and will roll over for a few bucks, or because the arbitrations' a "done deal" and all will then be well. From another thread, when it was noted that some mouthy moron spouting off about our "sense of entitlement" was...drumroll...A "Check Airman" who would "welcome you to his simulator"...well...It's apparent that these are largely people in their aviation infancy that still find check rides as something to be fearfull of. We'll never be on the same page here. This will have to take it's course in full.

 

[HP_JACK]

I'm a FA but we don't have many pilots that commute from east of the Mississippi. I would say 100 tops at the most total up and down from New England to Florida. Even so a lot of these guys spend half their time at in Phoenix on days off anyways at a second residence. It will all come out in the wash I'm sure.

 

[Bear96]

If you guys never want to go East or fly to Europe, why don't you seek to negotiate fences for east and west and keep the US guys out of PHX/LAS?

I think that was the plan for a while.

Until the East told the West to go take a hike with silly things like negotiations (how quaint) and took the inflexible position of "DOH or bust!"

East got busted.

 

[Pi brat]

I think that was the plan for a while.

Until the East told the West to go take a hike with silly things like negotiations (how quaint) and took the inflexible position of "DOH or bust!"

East got busted.

Do you have some documents from negotiations? I'd like to see what we turned down. All I've ever seen from the west is their proposal to the arbitaritor that wanted to slot save-a-dave, their last guy on the list, with our guys that were at around 70-75% of the active list. You work for us?

 

[prechilill]

Do you have some documents from negotiations? I'd like to see what we turned down. All I've ever seen from the west is their proposal to the arbitaritor that wanted to slot save-a-dave, their last guy on the list, with our guys that were at around 70-75% of the active list. You work for us?

The Northwest MEC agrees with the arbitrator's ruling (as well as the rest of the industry for the most part). I am waiting for other MEC's to follow Northwest's lead in issuing a statement. It seems the rest of the world doesn't agree with you east radicals.

 

[EastUS]

The Northwest MEC agrees with the arbitrator's ruling (as well as the rest of the industry for the most part). I am waiting for other MEC's to follow Northwest's lead in issuing a statement. It seems the rest of the world doesn't agree with you east radicals.

We're all losing a lot of sleep over on the east side over what the Northwest mec thinks. You're evidencing some fantasy of Alpo being some seriously powerfull national force that can/will "force" this issue. As for "the rest of the world"...just place the pipe safely down...and just say no.

As per: "the rest of the world"...go ahead and take a poll as to whether the average frequent flyer would rather have:

1) A great deal of experience in the cockpit, most especially in the left seat? or

2) You guys?

 

[Bear96]

Do you have some documents from negotiations? I'd like to see what we turned down. All I've ever seen from the west is their proposal to the arbitaritor that wanted to slot save-a-dave, their last guy on the list, with our guys that were at around 70-75% of the active list. You work for us?

No. (Giving legal advice to the East MEC, if that is what you mean by "working for us," is clearly a losing proposition for a lawyer, but that is another topic.)

My comments are based on what was publicly released by ALPA during the negotiations, specifically (1) reports of how East was insisting on DOH despite the arbitrator's warnings that the ALPA merger policy would not permit a DOH-based award, and (2) East MEC statements and reports that they would basically fight to the death for DOH (despite the apparent futility of that position).

If you have some documents that are not consistent with the above (i.e., which say basically that the East negotiators were advocating or willing to accept anything other than DOH), please share them.

 

[prechilill]

We're all losing a lot of sleep over on the east side over what the Northwest mec thinks. You're evidencing some fantasy of Alpo being some seriously powerfull national force that can/will "force" this issue. As for "the rest of the world"...just place the pipe safely down...and just say no.

As per: "the rest of the world"...go ahead and take a poll as to whether the average frequent flyer would rather have:

1) A great deal of experience in the cockpit, most especially in the left seat? or

2) You guys?

Since you ask, I will have to go with number 2 since option 2 does not have the distinction of five fatal accidents in five years like option number one. Why do you ask stupid questions? :angry:

 

[Pi brat]

No. (Giving legal advice to the East MEC, if that is what you mean by "working for us," is clearly a losing proposition for a lawyer, but that is another topic.)

My comments are based on what was publicly released by ALPA during the negotiations, specifically (1) reports of how East was insisting on DOH despite the arbitrator's warnings that the ALPA merger policy would not permit a DOH-based award, and (2) East MEC statements and reports that they would basically fight to the death for DOH (despite the apparent futility of that position).

If you have some documents that are not consistent with the above (i.e., which say basically that the East negotiators were advocating or willing to accept anything other than DOH), please share them.

I only have the AWA postion that was sent to the arbitration. I must have missed all the ALPA updates about the specifics of negotiations. Again, anyone, I'd like to see what great offers from AWA we turned down, because the one sent to Mr. Nic sure wasn't too great.

I thought you worked for UA, sorry to think that of you.

 

[CaptainZitface]

you loud mouthed pr#@ks.

That's no way for an FO to address his senior officer.