VOTE YES !

[Strake]

Says the puppet...with strings attached.

Is this your shade Dave? What a joke.

 

[Overspeed]

Who is going to read all this crap keep it simple idiot.

Wow that was creative. So I bring forward facts and highlight the text (that is to note the parts that are relevant for those of you who are slow) and you respond with name calling. Okay.

Point is Informer posted something from CA Hale that has since been updated.

I hope I kept that simple enough for even you to understand.

 

[Overspeed]

You could care less about this contract you will not live under it. You are a a hole

You sound like you have angry man syndrome. Calm down and take your Paxil.

 

[Overspeed]

By voting YES aren't we damning ourselves to lower wages for the rest of our careers at AA. In 2003 we gave up everything to save jobs, then we went into bankruptcy because our management said we have to be even with our compition, now we're giving even more to save jobs, aren't we hurting AA and our own careers by giving AA a fish instead of teaching it how to fish for itself. I think it's time for AA management to earn those bonus's by managing, instead of getting a handout from the TWU.

in the TWUs own Q&A, they say that we can't be compared to FedEx and UPS because they don't do AO, or to JetBlue or SWA because they have a different business model. ( ya theirs are successful )

Unions are suppose to negotiate for pay, benefits and working conditions, not to be a jobs program or a source of cheap labor for a corporation. So if this contract passes, will it be like 2003 we have 6 years of a bad contract followed by 4 years of "negotiating" then AA saying you have to take concessionary contract to save jobs.

I know what the goodies in this TA are, but what happens in 10 years when we want a raise?

By voting no you are agreeing to abrogation, greater than 40% of maintenance spend being outsourced on top of the existing work outsourced, no raise while your insurance premiums go up, and no 401(k) match for at least a few more years. Think you are hurting now, wait until August 16th.

 

[TWU informer]

By voting no you are agreeing to abrogation, greater than 40% of maintenance spend being outsourced on top of the existing work outsourced, no raise while your insurance premiums go up, and no 401(k) match for at least a few more years. Think you are hurting now, wait until August 16th.

FEAR!

 

[Supercat575sci]

FEAR!

That's not fear, that's fact!

 

[amt66]

I didn't realize that AA was going to layoff 7000 mechs to get to 1989 seniority, unless you are using misinformation to scare the uninformed or weak minded.

I think what he ment was that it would get to 89 in Tulsa and the rest would have to bump if they can

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

V O T E N O



The people pushing for a yes vote dont have to live under the same pay and benefits they are telling you to vote yes on. The ATD is lying to you...

 

[Mired in AA Mediocrity]

The Pilots have a website called http://operationorange,com

There is some great information there about the struggle we all face.

read the post called " The Rebellion Has Started"

Voting No is the only thing that makes sense.

 

[Blueweng48]

It has been a whole day with just one day left to vote. I asked a simple question and it has not been answered, how is a NO VOTE gonna benefit me over a YES VOTE?
As many no voters as you say there are you would think just one person could answer the question. More money or benifits? You tell me.

 

[JABORD]

It has been a whole day with just one day left to vote. I asked a simple question and it has not been answered, how is a NO VOTE gonna benefit me over a YES VOTE?
As many no voters as you say there are you would think just one person could answer the question. More money or benifits? You tell me.

It's not rocket science sport. You can wait six years or more to attempt to fix the damage done to us by the TWBoo or we stay the course and keep swinging! I will volunteer to give them NOTHING! They will have to pry it from my hands! I VOTED NO.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Judge Fears Pay Cuts Might Worsen Relations

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Stephen S. Mitchell postponed a decision on whether to impose a requested 23 percent, or $38 million a month, across-the-board employee pay cut for at least six months. Another hearing is scheduled for tomorrow. Mitchell also did not rule on whether the airline could forgo past-due payments to its mechanics' and flight attendants' pension funds.

Mitchell expressed concern about whether implementing the pay cuts could have an adverse effect on future labor relations, possibly jeopardizing the airline's long-term reorganization plan.

"If I grant these cuts, will it increase the risk of labor strife with [employees] voting with their feet" to leave the company? Mitchell said.

 

[700UW]

Mitchell put a 21% emergency paycut on all US employees in the second chapter 11 case and abrogated the Mechanic and Related Contract.

And terminated all the remaining pensions, I was in the courtroom during the emergency hearings and the 1113 C trial.

Judge Allows US Airways Pay Cuts

By MICHELINE MAYNARD and KRISTEN A. LEE

Published: October 15, 2004

bankrupt US Airways today won most of the emergency pay cuts it said were critical to avoid liquidation, and the airline industry's other bankrupt company, United, said it wanted to terminate its labor contracts and would seek deeper cuts from its employees.

The moves by the industry's two insolvent companies underscored the crisis facing the nation's airlines. All told, the carriers are expected to lose close to $5 billion this year, on top of losses of $30 billion since the year 2000.

US Airways, the nation's seventh-largest airline, filed for its second bankruptcy protection in two years on Sept. 12, after employees would not grant $800 million in wage and benefit cuts sought by the airline. United, the second-largest airline, sought court protection in December 2002.

Judge Stephen S. Mitchell of Federal Bankruptcy Court in Alexandria, Va., said US Airways could impose cuts of 21 percent over the next four months, through Feb. 15. The airline had sought cuts of 23 percent for six months.
Lawyers for US Airways' unions argued that the cuts were too severe, given that employees granted the airline two rounds of cuts worth $1.9 billion a year during its first bankruptcy.

"We don't want the company to fail, but we don't think you need to slash and burn tomorrow," said Sharon L. Levine, a lawyer for the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

The unions' lawyers also pointed out that salaried employees had taken cuts of 5 percent to 10 percent, and that the airline's chief executive, Bruce R. Lakefield, was not taking a pay cut.

But the airline's lawyers maintained that US Airways could cease operating by mid-February unless the cuts were granted. "This company will fail. There is no doubt that it will fail," Brian Leitch, US Airways' lead bankruptcy lawyer, said.

Judge Mitchell said he "reluctantly" agreed with US Airways' arguments. But he reduced the size and duration of the cuts and said that they "should not be an end run" around talks between the company and its unions on permanent cuts.

"I believe and understand this will represent a severe financial hardship" for US Airways employees, said Judge Mitchell, who presided over US Airways first bankruptcy case.

After the court hearing, Mr. Lakefield said, "Our mission here is to save as many jobs as possible."
He reiterated that he had taken the equivalent of a pay cut because his $425,000 salary was less than his predecessor, David N. Siegel, had earned. Mr. Lakefield replaced Mr. Siegel in April.

In the United case, airline lawyers said that they would ask a federal bankruptcy court in Chicago to void the airline's labor agreements, so that they could be replaced with less-expensive contracts.

United said it would file the motion, under Section 1113 of the bankruptcy code, sometime next month. The airline was granted cuts of $2.5 billion a year from its unions 18 months ago. United said it hoped to negotiate replacement contracts by mid-January.

United also said that it was "likely" to ask for the termination of its traditional employee pension plans, which it has said it wants to replace with 401(k) programs.

But the airline said the Association of Flight Attendants and the I.A.M. had agreed to drop efforts to appoint a trustee to run the airline, a move that in essence would have unseated United's chief executive, Glenn F. Tilton. The terms of the agreement were not disclosed.

 

[AC Tynker]

Some openly wilful sinners are like this madman. The commands of the law are as chains and fetters, to restrain sinners from their wicked courses; but they break those bands in sunder; and it is an evidence of the power of the devil in them. A legion of soldiers consisted of six thousand men, or more. What multitudes of fallen spirits there must be, and all enemies to God and man, when here was a legion in one poor wretched creature! Many there are that rise up against us. We are not a match for our spiritual enemies, in our own strength; but in the Lord, and in the power of his might, we shall be able to stand against them, though there are legions of them. When the vilest transgressor is delivered by the power of Jesus from the bondage of Satan, he will gladly sit at the feet of his Deliverer, and hear his word, who delivers the wretched slaves of Satan, and numbers them among his saints and servants. When the people found that their swine were lost, they had a dislike to Christ. Long-suffering and mercy may be seen, even in the corrections by which men lose their property while their lives are saved, and warning given them to seek the salvation of their souls. The man joyfully proclaimed what great things Jesus had done for him. All men marvelled, but few followed him. Many who cannot but wonder at the works of Christ, yet do not, as they ought, wonder after him.

Uhhh Amen ??

 

[Overspeed]

Judge Fears Pay Cuts Might Worsen Relations

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Stephen S. Mitchell postponed a decision on whether to impose a requested 23 percent, or $38 million a month, across-the-board employee pay cut for at least six months. Another hearing is scheduled for tomorrow. Mitchell also did not rule on whether the airline could forgo past-due payments to its mechanics' and flight attendants' pension funds.

Mitchell expressed concern about whether implementing the pay cuts could have an adverse effect on future labor relations, possibly jeopardizing the airline's long-term reorganization plan.

"If I grant these cuts, will it increase the risk of labor strife with [employees] voting with their feet" to leave the company? Mitchell said.

Keeping dreaming Chuck. You are comparing pay cuts to turning down a TA with pay raises. Judge Lane is making a decision to abrogate a CBA with no pay raises and maintaining the pay we continue to get now. No one was voting on a TA to raise their pay on DOS while in BK in the case MItchell was ruling on.

Keep quoting out of context and attempting to deceive. It's what your fearless leader Bob models for you everyday.