VOTE YES !

Blueweng48 said:
Just because you take the job protection out does not mean there will be more people laid off. We didn't have it when i came here and i have never been laid off. Don't slam Gary, at least he got involved and did more than most people. He has more union backbone than most of our members, he makes the meetings at least, and only about 100 other people can say that. It will cause less lay offs with a YES VOTE so do what is best for your family, but don't try to misslead those that are going to be affected with a no vote.
AGAIN I ask you and you have not answered, how will the membership be better off with a NO VOTE?





Now that is Some funny stufff. You first quote a unelected official that got sent packing and will not quote his response on his Hawaii flight because he wants back in on his scam. Tell me where the jobs are sAAved ? Where is this language ? Common Marco come up with sme contract language besides some hopes and dreams.
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Overspeed said:
Which means you are voting for abrogation. The creditors and all the members of AA senior management are so happy you are voting no. Outsourcing will increase, no pay raises, and no 401(k) match is their dream. Now that will make their stock options worth more at the expense or your paycheck and jobs. I guess you like paying more for health insurance while getting no pay raise. Better make adjustments to your expenses now, your net pay will be dropping August 16th.
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Do you really believe what your writing? WOW it amazes me.
If senior management is pushing for a no vote then why are they openly pushing for a labor deal to move on? Which is it? Health insurance has been on the rise for years. Nothing new. So are you saying that the pay raise will pay for my increased health benefits? That means no raise. Where is the benefit of a pay raise?
You should here what your saying. It is obvious you are so desperate that you will say anything to make your point. If that is what you call it.

I'm still voting NO.

Tell me more on why voting NO will make you respond with more lies and half truths.
I'll stick with the credibility of the local presidents any day over your explanations.
 
Let's vote how twu officials want us to
Vote. After all they are looking out for us are they not ? Experience has thought us how much the love us ? It is better to live to fight another day on our knees ? We better get this in the rear view mirror ? There will be 1600 less layoffs ? Yada yada. One thing to count on is base pay goes up so will dues. Maybe you can shut some fat unelected officials Buick doors when they lean towards the passenger side after eating on our dime. Don is huge
 
In the old days it was Union versus Management

These days it is Union Members against the TWU/AA Management Alliance.
 
TWU informer said:
Fellow APA Pilots,
We have less than a week before the final tabulation results of American Airlines Last Best Final Offer is revealed. I would be terribly remiss if I did NOT disclose to the membership a dialog session which transpired in Marina Del Rey, CA. The locale was the Warehouse, a restaurant, and I was accompanied by 15 fellow pilots of the LAX domicile, ranging from line pilots, check airmen, Flight Department Pilots who all dined with Captain John Hale and Senior VP of Operations, Mr. Jim Ream.

2) IF the TA were to be voted down by a close margin, they would immediately RE-negotiate to gain a speedy solution with labor. Time being the critical factor to American Airlines due to the in place financing. He stated, the labor stress just ADDS to the Cost of Financing.
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Dave he already updated the members and what you have posted is a misrepresentation. Below is what he followed with to set the record straight.


Good morning, this is CA John Hale with the Flight Department Hotline for Friday, August 3.
I was planning to take this hotline and talk about something near and dear to every pilot’s heart, airplanes – some of the details on the incremental 777-300ER orders we confirmed today to demonstrate the growth that’s already taking place and an update on some of the milestones we’re seeing in our new Airbus fleet. However, it’s been brought to my attention that there is some misinformation out there about the TA and it would be a disservice to you if I didn’t take this time to address that instead.

Jim Ream and I have had a number of productive meetings and conversations with pilots around the system over the last few weeks. They’ve been candid and truthful, with the ultimate goal of helping pilots understand just what a critical decision we’re facing. However, it’s apparent from the report outs of some of those meetings that we weren’t successful in clearly communicating the next steps the company would pursue if the TA does not ratify.
There is no question that our goal is to achieve a consensual agreement with our pilots. It’s in the best interests of everyone, both the company and you all. And that’s why the company made the moves they did in the TA that’s in front of you – including the agreement to support an equity stake in the new American. We want to reach a consensual agreement without the judge’s ruling.

But let me be perfectly clear, contrary to what you may be reading or hearing, saying no to this TA means one thing – the company will ask for Judge Lane’s permission to abrogate the current pilot contract. That isn’t what we’d prefer, but it will be the only choice we have left. So there is no confusion, if the contract is abrogated, the company will immediately begin implementation of the April Term Sheet so that we can start realizing the savings necessary for a successful restructuring. A unilateral implementation of the April Term Sheet is not the outcome the company or I am hoping to achieve. But, if a consensual agreement is not reached, we will not wait any longer to implement the changes necessary for our company to successfully restructure and compete. We will of course continue to negotiate in good faith with APA in an attempt to achieve a new agreement consistent with our legal obligations. But, that will take time, and implementation of the April Term Sheet changes would begin and would remain in effect until a new contract is agreed upon and put in place. The April Term Sheet would also be the new starting point for those negotiations, not the terms of our tentative agreement.
A no vote can lead to only one thing – uncertainty and more pain. A failed TA and contract abrogation won’t bring an expedited, better deal, as some would have you believe. As I said at the beginning, this isn’t the message I wanted to focus on today but given the stage we’re currently in, I could not in good conscience ignore some of the misinformation that’s circulating. This is your life, your future, and your decision. The TA before you includes substantial improvements over the April term Sheet, and represents the limits to which we can responsibly go to meet APA’s and the pilots’ concerns. A failed ratification will take us down the path I’ve just described.
Contrary to another misperception from the meeting, the company has made no decisions regarding consolidation at this time. As we have communicated previously, we are undertaking a thorough and objective evaluation of all alternatives and options regarding consolidation.
The facts are before you and I can’t stress enough how important it is you understand the paths in front of you.
Thanks for all you do. Continue to fly aggressively safe, take care of each other, and have some fun out there. We’ll talk with you again next week. Take good care.

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The current hotline can be heard on 800-967-4568
 
Sorry I am late to the TWU party let say that I and quite a few others in DFW have not voted yet because we believed the Intl/AA was watching the vote in real time this is a option under Ballot point. We will be voting over the next 18 to 20 hours and am happy to report we will all be voting NO so based on the amount of fear beening spewed I would say it is going no and we are going to add to it.

For all you Newbies when this thing fails and we make gains please be man enough to come back and admit you fell for it again once a TWU fool always a TWU fool!
 
By voting YES aren't we damning ourselves to lower wages for the rest of our careers at AA. In 2003 we gave up everything to save jobs, then we went into bankruptcy because our management said we have to be even with our compition, now we're giving even more to save jobs, aren't we hurting AA and our own careers by giving AA a fish instead of teaching it how to fish for itself. I think it's time for AA management to earn those bonus's by managing, instead of getting a handout from the TWU.

in the TWUs own Q&A, they say that we can't be compared to FedEx and UPS because they don't do AO, or to JetBlue or SWA because they have a different business model. ( ya theirs are successful )

Unions are suppose to negotiate for pay, benefits and working conditions, not to be a jobs program or a source of cheap labor for a corporation. So if this contract passes, will it be like 2003 we have 6 years of a bad contract followed by 4 years of "negotiating" then AA saying you have to take concessionary contract to save jobs.

I know what the goodies in this TA are, but what happens in 10 years when we want a raise?
 
Yet we are going to actively seek the purchase of JetBlue?
 
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