Overspeed
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No! Smoke and mirrors Dave. Smoke and mirrors.
VOTE YES !
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I stand with the TWU-ATD, APA, and APFA in recommending a yes vote since the alternative is uglier and I do have to live under the TA or the 3/22 Term Sheet.
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The TUL base is supposed to be impacted by 2,000 so it is not the system seniority it is that AA will layoff to that date and they will bump out. Not a scare tactic, just how the process works Brother.
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I have two friends I was eating breakfast with Monday morning. They both have been retired for 25 and 27 years, they walked the picket lines for what we have today. One has a son working at AFW, and they both said the same thing. If they could vote, because we are in bankruptcy, they would both vote YES. His son is planning on voting no but he told him he was making a mistake. That is comming from those that walked the walk.
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I have two friends I was eating breakfast with Monday morning. They both have been retired for 25 and 27 years, they walked the picket lines for what we have today. One has a son working at AFW, and they both said the same thing. If they could vote, because we are in bankruptcy, they would both vote YES. His son is planning on voting no but he told him he was making a mistake. That is comming from those that walked the walk.
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Blueweng48
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sorry must have hit it twice
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Knowing Gary so well, you must be a machinist in the landing gear shop. Am I right?
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Today is the last chance VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!
odie01
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You mean today is the last day to man-up and do what's right for the mechanic profession and change your spineless yes vote to a NO ! Open language and no job protection and your voting yes, hope you feel good about that.
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I feel WONDERFUL about that!!!!!
Do you feel good about selling out your union brothers and sisters. Are you going to feed them and clothe them. I think not you will only worry about yourself.
Do you feel good about selling out your union brothers and sisters. Are you going to feed them and clothe them. I think not you will only worry about yourself.
odie01
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Yes I would feed and cloth them,. It's obvious you and some of your union brothers and sisters have fallen for the fear factor. We at AFW do not have the same attitude, and are doing what is right for the profession, even though their closing the doors in December. I will chalk up your yes vote as Fear, inexperience, and lack of comprehention of the situation at hand.
TWU informer
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So....
You favor 35% Outsource along with "Peak Demand" (whatever that means) outsource and NO JOB SECURITY, while thousands of jobs will be cut with a yes vote, and you say a no vote is selling out?
ROFLMAO
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A vote NO gets 40% on top of what is already being farmed out. And a NO VOTE will not get you JOB SECURITY!
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Mr. Ream responded:
(Not exact quotes, but accurate content, vetted by three other pilots present.)
1) It is the desire of AAL to purchase JetBlue. This would be completed through a complex deal including debt, private equity and preferential shares. He explained that we are far along the road to negotiating this deal and the critical part is HAVING Contracts in place with LABOR. He further acknowledged that the same people that would be loaning us the money for Americans desired POR were consolidating Americans debt. By doing this, they are buying debt at a discounted rate, gaining power on the UCC and have little exposure for they know the financing is viable to emerge from BK.
2) IF the TA were to be voted down by a close margin, they would immediately RE-negotiate to gain a speedy solution with labor. Time being the critical factor to American Airlines due to the in place financing. He stated, the labor stress just ADDS to the Cost of Financing.
3) IF the TA passes, they have done their job for the creditors and have achieved the best deal possible for the debtors.
4) He indicated that changing the TA at this late stage was problematic. The money factor being locked and reported to the UCC. However, he wanted to hear what the pilots felt were the problem areas of the TA.
Dinner was concluded and some very valuable information was exchanged between all parties in attendance. The remainder of the eve was spent discussing the TA and how it affects the pilots. Mr. Ream asked those in attendance to send him 5 bullet points they would want to see in TA #2.
Friday / 27 July:
I was informed that a pilot who was present, had written a debrief and forwarded it to Negotiating Chairman Neil Roghair as well as both LAX Base Representatives.
The remainder of my day was spent sending the attendees 5 Bullet points to Captain Hale and Captain Smith.
Saturday / 28 July:
Captain Hale informed me he was going to be addressing MR. Horton, Ms. Denise Lynn (HR) and would be informing them of the pilots view of this TA from our dialog session.
I assured Captain Hale I would not disclose nor campaign the content of the Warehouse Revelations for five days to allow him to possibly get an internal solution to the very defective TA.
In Conclusion,
True to my word, I promised not to disclose nor discuss the events of 26 July 2012 in order to allow Captain Hale to affect an amendment. Nothing has transpired from either Captain Hales focused efforts, nor has the APA in any official capacity commented on these developments.
PLEASE, Understand this.
1) Americans Stand Alone Plan is fictitious JetBlue is their goal.
2) The APA is so myopic on management change that we are continuing a course of action, so shaky and anemic in terms of substantiation to the failed logic of you wont have to fly under it.
3) If you Vote YES / In favor of this LBFO, you will likely suffer under its compromised content for a minimum of six years.
4) If you elect to REJECT this TA, American will renegotiate to gain a labor agreement.
5) Last, but certainly not least, I am staking my own personal reputation behind stating these facts of the evenings dialog. My passionate pursuit of doing what is right has led me to revealing these details to you today.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the APA, look within your soul and please find the strength to vote with your dignity intact and overcome your fear.
Respectfully and In Unity,
(Not exact quotes, but accurate content, vetted by three other pilots present.)
1) It is the desire of AAL to purchase JetBlue. This would be completed through a complex deal including debt, private equity and preferential shares. He explained that we are far along the road to negotiating this deal and the critical part is HAVING Contracts in place with LABOR. He further acknowledged that the same people that would be loaning us the money for Americans desired POR were consolidating Americans debt. By doing this, they are buying debt at a discounted rate, gaining power on the UCC and have little exposure for they know the financing is viable to emerge from BK.
2) IF the TA were to be voted down by a close margin, they would immediately RE-negotiate to gain a speedy solution with labor. Time being the critical factor to American Airlines due to the in place financing. He stated, the labor stress just ADDS to the Cost of Financing.
3) IF the TA passes, they have done their job for the creditors and have achieved the best deal possible for the debtors.
4) He indicated that changing the TA at this late stage was problematic. The money factor being locked and reported to the UCC. However, he wanted to hear what the pilots felt were the problem areas of the TA.
Dinner was concluded and some very valuable information was exchanged between all parties in attendance. The remainder of the eve was spent discussing the TA and how it affects the pilots. Mr. Ream asked those in attendance to send him 5 bullet points they would want to see in TA #2.
Friday / 27 July:
I was informed that a pilot who was present, had written a debrief and forwarded it to Negotiating Chairman Neil Roghair as well as both LAX Base Representatives.
The remainder of my day was spent sending the attendees 5 Bullet points to Captain Hale and Captain Smith.
Saturday / 28 July:
Captain Hale informed me he was going to be addressing MR. Horton, Ms. Denise Lynn (HR) and would be informing them of the pilots view of this TA from our dialog session.
I assured Captain Hale I would not disclose nor campaign the content of the Warehouse Revelations for five days to allow him to possibly get an internal solution to the very defective TA.
In Conclusion,
True to my word, I promised not to disclose nor discuss the events of 26 July 2012 in order to allow Captain Hale to affect an amendment. Nothing has transpired from either Captain Hales focused efforts, nor has the APA in any official capacity commented on these developments.
PLEASE, Understand this.
1) Americans Stand Alone Plan is fictitious JetBlue is their goal.
2) The APA is so myopic on management change that we are continuing a course of action, so shaky and anemic in terms of substantiation to the failed logic of you wont have to fly under it.
3) If you Vote YES / In favor of this LBFO, you will likely suffer under its compromised content for a minimum of six years.
4) If you elect to REJECT this TA, American will renegotiate to gain a labor agreement.
5) Last, but certainly not least, I am staking my own personal reputation behind stating these facts of the evenings dialog. My passionate pursuit of doing what is right has led me to revealing these details to you today.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the APA, look within your soul and please find the strength to vote with your dignity intact and overcome your fear.
Respectfully and In Unity,
TWU informer
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Can you prove that will be the end result of voting no?
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