US/UA Merger Master Thread
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I'm not sure I would be pleased with Doug and Scott leading any combination of United and US Airways. I would imagine that folks in Chicago and elsewhere in the United system also will likely be unhappy if that turns out to be how events play out. I simply have not seen any indication that they are capable of running an airline that size on a day-to-day basis. The money folks may be temporarilly happy, but I doubt many others will feel the same.
The biggest losers, if this plays out along the lines of the Chicago article, will be:
1. The City of Tempe;
2. The City of Phoenix;
3. The Phoenix metro area; and,
4. East pilots.
The biggest winner, based on things that exist today, will be the West pilots since they will likely get something at least resembling Nicolau and will not be under USAPA for long enough to matter.
There will be other winners and losers, but those are the major ones I see as of now.
I still suspect PHL could be in trouble, but I am not sure of that.
The biggest losers, if this plays out along the lines of the Chicago article, will be:
1. The City of Tempe;
2. The City of Phoenix;
3. The Phoenix metro area; and,
4. East pilots.
The biggest winner, based on things that exist today, will be the West pilots since they will likely get something at least resembling Nicolau and will not be under USAPA for long enough to matter.
There will be other winners and losers, but those are the major ones I see as of now.
I still suspect PHL could be in trouble, but I am not sure of that.
My bet is an announcement next Sunday evening. I think they will wait until after the ramp agreement is ratified this coming week. Any later then that and they will not have a enough time to get it approved before Bush leaves office. Ual is in no position to demand anything. They are about to be gutted with or without a merger. LCC is the last ugly girl at the dance for consolidation and will pick the song. It's going to get really nasty in the DC area folks.
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My crystal ball says that it will be in Monday's paper🙂 View attachment 7533
I don't think they care about any group's ratification. There will be no waiting.
And yes, It will get interesting in the D.C. area. I look forward to some decent flying out of Dulles.
I don't think they care about any group's ratification. There will be no waiting.
And yes, It will get interesting in the D.C. area. I look forward to some decent flying out of Dulles.
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Whew! This whole US/UA thing is making me sick. I hope it dosent happen.
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I do, and I can't wait!
Rest assured. This announcement is on it's way down the pike! Details are being worked out as we speak. That doesn't mean approval will happen, but this merger will be handled much differently than HP/US merger.
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Thank Gawd!
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I have no doubt it will be announced, but I have serious doubts it will close. There are too many factors working against it.
The opposition is formidable, and will include both employees AND customers.
Present Tempe management is already over their heads with the new US, what makes one think they could handle US/UA? NOTHING.
The only way I see something like this coming together is with a new CEO and management team--Gordon Bethune might be looking for a job right about now........
As they say in the movies, "fasten your seatbelts-it's going to be a bumpy ride!"
My BEST to you all......
The opposition is formidable, and will include both employees AND customers.
Present Tempe management is already over their heads with the new US, what makes one think they could handle US/UA? NOTHING.
The only way I see something like this coming together is with a new CEO and management team--Gordon Bethune might be looking for a job right about now........
As they say in the movies, "fasten your seatbelts-it's going to be a bumpy ride!"
My BEST to you all......
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I think it depends on how desperate Tilton is to merge.
It seems to me that if he's really desperate, he can close the domestic hub operation at IAD, cancel RJ contacts, furlough some pilots and in one fell swoop, he'd solve antitrust issues, any other gov opposition, UAL pilot opposition to DOH (depending on the number furloughed).
But can he do these relatively modest things without declaring bankruptcy?
Remember I'm really pessimistic about the future of the airline industry and I think that UAL has the BIG target on it from true LCCs and the industry, and US has the little target on it, so everything is relative.
It seems to me that if he's really desperate, he can close the domestic hub operation at IAD, cancel RJ contacts, furlough some pilots and in one fell swoop, he'd solve antitrust issues, any other gov opposition, UAL pilot opposition to DOH (depending on the number furloughed).
But can he do these relatively modest things without declaring bankruptcy?
Remember I'm really pessimistic about the future of the airline industry and I think that UAL has the BIG target on it from true LCCs and the industry, and US has the little target on it, so everything is relative.
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It’s too bad I’m no longer around; I could probably hold a block there!
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