US Pilots Labor Topic-Aug 1-5

[nycbusdriver]

I was simply asking about the east fleet because it occured to me that you may not have as great a capacity as the West to accomodate jumpseat request and therefore some denials may have been mistaken as an east/west discrimination issue, when there may have been an alternative explanation.

That's highly unlikely. If I ever had to deny a jumpseater a ride due to capacity, I would personally explain the entire situation and apologize profusely for my inability to carry him/her. Additionally, the gate agent would likely give off enough hints that capacity was doubtful.

When a jumpseat is denied by a west pilot to an east, or vice versa, due to the animosity, I think it's quite clear what the reason is, even if it is unreasonable.

 

[HPDriver]

Btw; Thanks for illustrating yet another "benefit" a great many east pilots, even those with years and years in their pre-merger positions, would receive from the "fair and equitable" nic. Wow!...talk about the purest and most raw evidencing of plain old west greed.

Keep those west cards and kisses coming. At the rate things are going; we should be able to vote nic into existence any moment now.....

Its either that or LOA93.

And with Nic in place, it'll be more than likely only a small number will move east with this being offset by east pilots going west.

Either way, no Nic means a definite subpar quality of life and career.

 

[EastUS]

With the reappearance of certain posters here and elsewhere, I'm thinking that ALPA is commencing another FUD campaign. There is less than a year left until they can file for another CBA election. That would be just like the ALPA of old. I can only hope that others see this like I do, as sneaky as dishonest as when they were on the property before.

Another FUD campaign? Now, that would be something new and entirely unexpected!

"I can only hope that others see this like I do, as sneaky as dishonest as when they were on the property before." Well...nature affords us a fine model herein. Snakes, while they can shed their skins to grow...can never change their underlying colors, actions and intentions.

 

[EastUS]

Its either that or LOA93.

And with Nic in place, it'll be more than likely only a small number will move east with this being offset by east pilots going west.

Either way, no Nic means a definite subpar quality of life and career.

1)LOA93/84 might very well not prove out at ALL "bad" for the east, and all that's required to see how that unfolds is a bit of patience, which the east has in abundance.

2) Ummm....hmmm, if you say so ...Hey!...what happened to your earlier "flood gate opening up"?

3) ..While the glorious nic, would, most very certainly, completely guarantee a "definate subpar quality of life and career" for a large bulk of the east pilots.....PERMANENTLY!!! Ummm...whatever happened to your earlier glee about east pilots having reserve life be their fate until retirement...whenever your 'flood gates" open?

Seriously...do you people even read the propaganda you put out before posting it? :blink:

 

[exB717Flyer]

Addendum: To what actual purpose? The results would be almost identical to a vote on whether or not it's a good idea to have the sun rise again in the morning. Is there truly any rational reason to waste resources for a vote on either?

Yes: we don't believe you. You're going to have to prove it to us.

 

[EastUS]

EastUS:Wow!...talk about the purest and most raw evidencing of plain old west greed.

Its either that or LOA93.

And with Nic in place, it'll be more than likely only a small number will move east with this being offset by east pilots going west.

Either way, no Nic means a definite subpar quality of life and career.

PS: It's quite refreshing to no longer be bombarded with farcical, and absurdly hypocritical west assertion's that west "Integrity Matters" and nowadays, just be cutting to the chase = Whatever you can get or take from the east pilots, by nic/hook or crook....you'll gleefully try to take

 

[EastUS]

Yes: we don't believe you.

You're going to have to prove it to us.

1) Who cares?

2) Why bother? What's up on your agenda next? = Demanding a vote on whether the earth's round, vs flat?

 

[20+years]

I haven't posted in a long time here. As a retired employee from the old US Airways, we all took the same terrible ride (pilots and all the rest) before the merger arrived.

After reading this board for the past two years (without commenting). I want to share what conclusions I have come to.

East pilots are fighting the wrong battle and seem to take little heed to the fact that the future is very much in doubt because of your actions IMHO. I have to ask, what gives you guys the right to take away the ability of 20,000+ other employees to take care of themselves and families if you ruin the company while you sing Billy Joel's Angry Young Man?

A little background, I think Bronner was a weasle though I did not know him on a personal level. Siegal was no different and only hired people that good companies would never hire. Everything about him showed a kind of "seedy" behavior. I know the pilots could not trust him with eyes open and watching his every move. I will never understand how a man responsible for all the state pensioners in Alabama sould stoop to taking away pensions others, but he did and he never thought twice about it.

Then came Lakefield. The employee group was at the lowest emotional state ever. He flew through the largest Hub (CLT) just after the board hired him and he hid in the airport. Instead of meeting employees, trying to lift spirits, and telling everyone what he and we could do in the future, he hid until time to board his flight home. Remember Lakefield demanded paycuts from everyone in the 2nd BK but himself. He said that he was too good to take a paycut. He was NO leader in any way shape or form. It is my opinion the the US Airways Board of Directers should have been sued by every employee group (Wolf hired yes men and Bronner retained them).

The East Pilots have drawn a line in the sand and promised to never cross over it (give another penny). But the people and the airline you should have fought against are gone FOREVER.

This is a different war, the old US Airways is dead, Schofield, Wolf, Gangwal, Bronner, Siegal, and Lakefield are gone (Lakefield is Chairman with no authority). You guys keep trying to re-win a war that has already been lost for 100 reasons.

I honestly believe that I see your viewpoints (East), I lived it. It was awful to live thru, the Management that could never be trusted and the threats of the BK judges, but get over it. You are the most intelligence challanged group I have ever seen.

I don't think you have the right to redo history just becasue life is not fair and we were all taken advantage of like no employee group I have ever seen. Parker, the new US Airways, and the old west pilots are not necessarily the enemy except YOU GUYS have chosen to make them your enemy for what others (inlcuding ALPA) have done to you.

I refuse to belive that you have the authority from God to put 30,000 people on the street because of your contrived notions that the current leadership is responsible for what YOU let happen to YOU in the past.

I challenge you to just plain grow up and grow a pair and put your energy into creating a airline that can kick butt instead of being the butt!

 

[hp_fa]

Why bother? What's up on your agenda next? = Demanding a vote on whether the earth's round, vs flat?

Trick question...

It is an oblate spheroid.

Mr. Science will now step away from the keyboard. I have a new mandolin slicer with potatoes and onions awaiting. Who knows, I may slice one or more fingers off and then need Dragon Naturally Speaking to communicate

 

[HPDriver]

Whatever you can get or take from the east pilots, by nic/hook or crook

So I understand this, you're saying the west is "taking" because we MUTUALLY and LAWFULLY agreed to a binding mediation/arbitration process?

And this coming from someone whose union was convicted in a court of law of failing to fairly represent west pilots.

Hmmmmmm.

 

[HPDriver]

I haven't posted in a long time here. As a retired employee from the old US Airways, we all took the same terrible ride (pilots and all the rest) before the merger arrived.

After reading this board for the past two years (without commenting). I want to share what conclusions I have come to.

East pilots are fighting the wrong battle and seem to take little heed to the fact that the future is very much in doubt because of your actions IMHO. I have to ask, what gives you guys the right to take away the ability of 20,000+ other employees to take care of themselves and families if you ruin the company while you sing Billy Joel's Angry Young Man?

A little background, I think Bronner was a weasle though I did not know him on a personal level. Siegal was no different and only hired people that good companies would never hire. Everything about him showed a kind of "seedy" behavior. I know the pilots could not trust him with eyes open and watching his every move. I will never understand how a man responsible for all the state pensioners in Alabama sould stoop to taking away pensions others, but he did and he never thought twice about it.

Then came Lakefield. The employee group was at the lowest emotional state ever. He flew through the largest Hub (CLT) just after the board hired him and he hid in the airport. Instead of meeting employees, trying to lift spirits, and telling everyone what he and we could do in the future, he hid until time to board his flight home. Remember Lakefield demanded paycuts from everyone in the 2nd BK but himself. He said that he was too good to take a paycut. He was NO leader in any way shape or form. It is my opinion the the US Airways Board of Directers should have been sued by every employee group (Wolf hired yes men and Bronner retained them).

The East Pilots have drawn a line in the sand and promised to never cross over it (give another penny). But the people and the airline you should have fought against are gone FOREVER.

This is a different war, the old US Airways is dead, Schofield, Wolf, Gangwal, Bronner, Siegal, and Lakefield are gone (Lakefield is Chairman with no authority). You guys keep trying to re-win a war that has already been lost for 100 reasons.

I honestly believe that I see your viewpoints (East), I lived it. It was awful to live thru, the Management that could never be trusted and the threats of the BK judges, but get over it. You are the most intelligence challanged group I have ever seen.

I don't think you have the right to redo history just becasue life is not fair and we were all taken advantage of like no employee group I have ever seen. Parker, the new US Airways, and the old west pilots are not necessarily the enemy except YOU GUYS have chosen to make them your enemy for what others (inlcuding ALPA) have done to you.

I refuse to belive that you have the authority from God to put 30,000 people on the street because of your contrived notions that the current leadership is responsible for what YOU let happen to YOU in the past.

I challenge you to just plain grow up and grow a pair and put your energy into creating a airline that can kick butt instead of being the butt!

Amen!

 

[Harry Callahan]

And a second Amen . 20+years post of the thread

 

[EastUS]

Trick question...

It is an oblate spheroid.

Touch a' moi! Arrgh!...the devil's always in the details sir!

 

[EastUS]

East pilots are fighting the wrong battle and seem to take little heed to the fact that the future is very much in doubt because of your actions IMHO. I have to ask, what gives you guys the right to take away the ability of 20,000+ other employees to take care of themselves and families if you ruin the company ....

While I'm sometimes amused by excessive melodrama....Ummm...You've gotta' just plain be kidding everyone..aren't you? Since when does a seniority squabble threaten the viability of the corporate entity? what actions have been taken by either, or both sides of this issue that effect the bottom line in ANY meaningful way?

 

[luvn737s]

Is there truly any rational reason to waste resources for a vote on either

Voting is a waste of money, but buying cars and giving a lawfirm a blank check are not? Care to elaborate?

I just gotta hear this one for myself.