US Pilots Labor Thread 3/4-3/11-READ THE FIRST POST

[Elevation]

And difficult to fairly represent those who refuse to be represented. And before you get started...with no dog in this fight, I think that it is unfair to cry "They aren't representing us out west" when your pilots won't join and get INVOLVED with your own representation.

Dorf

USAPA is suppose to represent all the US Airways pilots regardless of the percentage of "involvement" and that is a legal requirement. USAPA either is not smart enough or too filled with spite to realize what it means to be a union for all the workers. USAPA will be reminded of there duty to fairly represent all workers under there representation shortly.

 

[electricjet98]

And difficult to fairly represent those who refuse to be represented. And before you get started...with no dog in this fight, I think that it is unfair to cry "They aren't representing us out west" when your pilots won't join and get INVOLVED with your own representation.

Dorf

Dorf, it has been stated many times, WE HAVE MEMBERS IN GOOD-STANDING. What is it that you can not understand in that statement?

We also have members that have protested USAPA's actions and those ptotests have fallen on deaf ears. What is it you can not understand in that statement?

Dorf, do you read before you post?

 

[Dorf]

Dorf, it has been stated many times, WE HAVE MEMBERS IN GOOD-STANDING. What is it that you can not understand in that statement?

We also have members that have protested USAPA's actions and those ptotests have fallen on deaf ears. What is it you can not understand in that statement?

Dorf, do you read before you post?

Yes, I Do. But your arguement is the same as the people who don't vote for the President of the USA and then complain about how the President is not doing the job the way they want him to do it. So you have "some members in good standing"(70 out of 1500+), they have a right to complain. The ones who aren't members don't have that "right" in my opinion. From what I have read here, USAPA has, and still does, go to bat for ALL pilots, regardless of the east/west thing. You, or they, might not like the way they do it, but they have represented the west pilots.

Dorf

 

[cubfan]

Part 2: Some guys just don't get it, and probably never will!



"2. After reviewing any tentative agreement, the Board of Pilot Representatives shall vote to either approve or reject a membership ratification ballot for such agreement. Only those ratification ballots approved by the Board of Pilot Representatives by a majority vote shall be forwarded to the affected membership for a ratification vote. Each approved ratification ballot must be accompanied by a BPR voting recommendation to “Approveâ€￾ or “Disapproveâ€￾ when distributed to all members in good standing."

As Elevation accurately pointed out, USAPA is once again in violation of their own C&BL's and just adding another stick to the DFR bonfire licking at their feet. The recent tentative agreement between USAPA and LCC that affected ONLY west pilots should have subject to a ratification vote by ONLY west pilots who were members in good standing...all 70 or 80 of them. That's just common sense since the vast majority of east pilots didn't have a clue as to what the details were...and USAPA didn't do anything to educate them. All USAPA did was to endorse the change which was an incredibly stupid decision! How many of you easties can truely say that you know what the age 58 upgrade limitation was all about?

electric, the only affected pilots would actually be those on the west who are 58 or older, and in good standing.

 

[ableoneable]

There are no pilots senior to me at AWA. I was hired here in the late 1970s. What year did AWA begin operating? I'm senior to ALL you people out west by DOH or Nicolau. And most of us in this situation on the east are fully supportive of USAPA and the separate topic of getting rid of the Nicolau shame.

And the reality is, I am "furlough proof." If they get to my number, the will be long out of business.

I believe that Trader is not in the "you west people" group.

I think he is an east pilot.

 

[Phoenix]

I believe that Trader is not in the "you west people" group.

I think he is an east pilot.

Much to mutual chagrin?

 

[nycbusdriver]

I believe that Trader is not in the "you west people" group.

I think he is an east pilot.

Must be a die-hard ALPA type, then.

 

[EastUS]

We also have members that have protested USAPA's actions and those ptotests have fallen on deaf ears. What is it you can not understand in that statement?

"We also have members that have protested USAPA's actions.." Some of you "members" out there, to date, don't do anything but "protest" and attempt to sabotage. What is it you can not understand in that statement? How's this one for additional consideration = Gallileo was actually correct..and the world does indeed revolve around the sun...and not merely around your merry little band. I'll not even offer any futile question as to what you can not understand in that statement... "and those protests have fallen on deaf ears"??? If you say so, but you're first assuming said "protests" to be of a valid nature that'd be received by any prudent person as being even marginally rational, and not simply nothing but ravings, "misrepresentations" (to put it mildly) and pure propoganda.

"Some guys just don't get it and probably never will" Have a good evening....(resets the snooze alarm)...

 

[EastUS]

Yes, I Do. But your arguement is the same as the people who don't vote for the President of the USA and then complain about how the President is not doing the job the way they want him to do it. So you have "some members in good standing"(70 out of 1500+), they have a right to complain. The ones who aren't members don't have that "right" in my opinion. From what I have read here, USAPA has, and still does, go to bat for ALL pilots, regardless of the east/west thing. You, or they, might not like the way they do it, but they have represented the west pilots.

Dorf

Indeed. "Some members in good standing (70 out of 1500+) pretty much says it all, regarding the level of concerned and earnest involvement.

 

[toganoflex]

By God, sir, thats a good post.

Unless, of course, you're an Empire/Shuttle guy.

Then it doesn't count.

 

[N924PS]

Indeed. "Some members in good standing (70 out of 1500+) pretty much says it all, regarding the level of concerned and earnest involvement.

Seems as if the level of concerned and earnest involvement in USAPA is waning too.

Noting the recent election results and discounting the 1800 or so West pilots not participating, only a shade over 2000 pilots participated in the recent voting. That leaves around 1500 East pilots that chose not to participate in the process.

Perhaps when the remaining West pilots ultimately join, they will in fact have the tyranny of the majority, simply due to the apparent apathy in the East.

 

[pilotn79]

There are no pilots senior to me at AWA. I was hired here in the late 1970s. What year did AWA begin operating? I'm senior to ALL you people out west by DOH or Nicolau.

Blah, Blah, Blah. Your date of hire at the renamed AWA was 2005, Cactus pilot.

 

[V1cut]

Blah, Blah, Blah. Your date of hire at the renamed AWA was 2005, Cactus pilot.

Spoken like a true newly furloughed ex-Mesa pilot..who became a "pilot in 1979"...

You have much to learn.

 

[EastUS]

Blah, Blah, Blah. Your date of hire at the renamed AWA was 2005, Cactus pilot.

Ladies and gentlemen; We have here, at a glance, the true and proper "respect" felt and shown by "fellow pilots" out west towards those more actually senior in every way.....some of said west "fellow pilots" having not even been born when others they're seeking "seniority" over commenced careers in aviation.........Words just fail me.

I've had my fill of this for awhile. It's likely best to leave this to those with stronger stomaches...........

Have a good evening All.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

having not even been born when others they're seeking "seniority" over commenced careers in aviation....

It's not date of hire(DOH) but birthdays (DOB)that determine things?