US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

If you want to see fireworks, watch the Phoenix Crew News. It was standing room only and quite the show. I was there to see the lid blow off. I read a lot of comments on people who also attended. This is pretty much how it went and this poster was taking some pretty good notes:

Comments were made along the line that it was a shame that we were in a building named after Jeff Mc Clelland and that the company was not showing the same style of integrity leadership and back bone that some felt that Jeff would have had in the situation we now find ourselves in with the East and USAPA. That we had a leadership vacuum after Jeff passed and that he would have never let this situation fester.

That line of discussion went on for a while until Doug asked everyone to stop it because Jeff was a dear friend of his and that he knew him better than anyone else in the room, ect, etc. It is the only time in a Crew Brief I have ever seen him I think almost start to maybe lose his emotional composure.

Later one of our pilots eloquently and sincerely apologize to him for bring up those that had passed and Parker seemed to accept that.

The East is also not going to like some of the personal things said about certain individuals or them as a group. It even got to the point were Parker pointed out that we were best not served by personal attacks and blanket generalizations made against the East group as a whole.

We were in a very rare form; loud, pissed, cohesive, mean and sometimes rude, a true force to be reckoned with. Today’s display should dispel the notion by anyone on the East that we are a bunch of west coast "meow surfer dudes" that don't know how to rumble.

It far surpassed anything I have ever seen come out of this pilot group, and I was at the infamous one time ALPA pilot meeting with Bill Franke.

It is one Crew Brief that will need to be watched to be believed. Without a doubt the lid blew off and the message came across crystal clear that we as the West group have "had it up to here" with the company and USAPA and not to be crossed anymore.

I even believe that at one point someone on the back wall managment told Mitch V that he was going to have to calm down or be asked to leave? Doug gave a look to whoever said that (Bular?) not to go there.

To be honest I was stunned and in a mild state of shock for a few hours after, it was that ####’n of a display of "West Side Story" voracity.

It was pretty unbelievable stuff.

Good job! And we will do the same when he comes to CLT. Maybe, between the two of us sides working together on this, he will part off something as he realizes he totally mishandled the "unmerge" It could have worked, but he played both sides too hard too long.

 

[luvthe9]

Frankly the west pilots should stick to their day job, drug running and id theft. Your pilot pay over the years is a joke.

Lets crunch some numbers.

Wow, from all the hype about East pilots being underpaid and LOA 93, these guys sucked the bottom of the barrel for DECADES! Unbelievable.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Good job! And we will do the same when he comes to CLT. Maybe, between the two of us sides working together on this, he will part off something as he realizes he totally mishandled the "unmerge" It could have worked, but he played both sides too hard too long.

I think you get Kirby this round. I've been to many of these meetings and have not seen anything like this. I like your term "unmerge" which is a spot-on description. I agree he has played both sides and it is starting to backfire on him. The distance learning fiasco was the spark.

 

[luvn737s]

If you want to see fireworks, watch the Phoenix Crew News. It was standing room only and quite the show. I was there to see the lid blow off. I read a lot of comments on people who also attended. This is pretty much how it went and this poster was taking some pretty good notes:

Was this display of resolve organized by USAPA? That's what a labor union would do, right? Cleary was there, wasn't he? C'mon tell me he was rallying his troops. C'mon tell me he was fulfilling his elected duties. C'mon tell me he was earning his pay. C'mon!!!!

So who were the people that mobilized such a strong show of support? Do they have a DVD or something on building strength through unity that they could send to Cleary and Mowery?

Perhaps the next two leaders of USAPA's replacement have made their debut to a watching and waiting pilot group. And they like what they see!

 

[cleardirect]

Good job! And we will do the same when he comes to CLT. Maybe, between the two of us sides working together on this, he will part off something as he realizes he totally mishandled the "unmerge" It could have worked, but he played both sides too hard too long.

I hope that you are there or one of you east guys and strongly make that suggestion.

Come on boys show some leadership and succeed at something. Convince Doug to un-merge us. I will enjoy that video.

 

[exB717Flyer]

I even believe that at one point someone on the back wall managment told Mitch V that he was going to have to calm down or be asked to leave? Doug gave a look to whoever said that (Bular?) not to go there.

You probably read the follow-up to this on the Awappa Board but that comment was made in jest by one of our own, the same gentleman who chided Doug for not exhibiting Jeff McClelland's integrity. He was sitting in the far northeast corner and because of the crowd Mitch couldn't see him.

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Everyone should also look forward to watching the video to see GB putting on his rain poncho to protect himself from the effluvia Doug was putting out.

 

[Freebird]

We need someone on the west to defend the accusations of their picket crossing, id information theft and drug running history. Any takers?

Obviously you have no meaningful point in this discussion about seniority. Instead of living in the past you should focus on the future. You post minutiae that has no bearing on USAPA getting an industry standard contract. You're really quite boring to be honest.

I'll humor your request because I'm bored and you're easy.

Drug Runners? Really. So you judge the AWA pilots because 3 pilots (mgmt type) had an illicit operation and were caught.
Picket Crossing? I wont defend their action or justify them. They know what they did. They have to live with it. How many are we talking here? 10? 12?
ID Information Theft? Ooooohhh Buzzword. You have no idea what you continue ranting about. Explain how they stole your information? (They asked the company for East addresses and the company provided them) Where is the theft?

Do you care to answer the questions about the poor choices of the East pilots? Upskirt photos, FFDO, Running aircraft off taxiways, crashing aircraft, forming USAPA?

Your posts are seriously desperate. How long was your furlough?

USAPA = Friends in low places.

 

[PullUp]

Any truth to the rumor that LOA93 arbitrator Kasher has passed away?

 

[nic4us]

I hope that you are there or one of you east guys and strongly make that suggestion.

Convince Doug to un-merge us. I will enjoy that video.

When Kirby fills them in on the terms of the un-merger, they will soil themselves over the revelation of who actually bought who, and where the lines are drawn on what is left of AAA.

 

[nic4us]

We need someone on the west to defend the accusations of their picket crossing, id information theft and drug running history. Any takers?

Sure scab, I will aswere your questions.

Give them to me one at a time, and I will give you direct answeres.

In return, you can answere just one question for me.

'99???....really??...are you a '99 hire with less than 2 years LOS who status was furloughed in 2005?

 

[jetjok1]

Good job! And we will do the same when he comes to CLT. Maybe, between the two of us sides working together on this, he will part off something as he realizes he totally mishandled the "unmerge" It could have worked, but he played both sides too hard too long.

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[Black Swan]

If you want to see fireworks, watch the Phoenix Crew News. It was standing room only and quite the show. I was there to see the lid blow off. I read a lot of comments on people who also attended. This is pretty much how it went and this poster was taking some pretty good notes:

Comments were made along the line that it was a shame that we were in a building named after Jeff Mc Clelland and that the company was not showing the same style of integrity leadership and back bone that some felt that Jeff would have had in the situation we now find ourselves in with the East and USAPA. That we had a leadership vacuum after Jeff passed and that he would have never let this situation fester.

That line of discussion went on for a while until Doug asked everyone to stop it because Jeff was a dear friend of his and that he knew him better than anyone else in the room, ect, etc. It is the only time in a Crew Brief I have ever seen him I think almost start to maybe lose his emotional composure.

Later one of our pilots eloquently and sincerely apologize to him for bring up those that had passed and Parker seemed to accept that.

The East is also not going to like some of the personal things said about certain individuals or them as a group. It even got to the point were Parker pointed out that we were best not served by personal attacks and blanket generalizations made against the East group as a whole.

We were in a very rare form; loud, pissed, cohesive, mean and sometimes rude, a true force to be reckoned with. Today’s display should dispel the notion by anyone on the East that we are a bunch of west coast "meow surfer dudes" that don't know how to rumble.

It far surpassed anything I have ever seen come out of this pilot group, and I was at the infamous one time ALPA pilot meeting with Bill Franke.

It is one Crew Brief that will need to be watched to be believed. Without a doubt the lid blew off and the message came across crystal clear that we as the West group have "had it up to here" with the company and USAPA and not to be crossed anymore.

I even believe that at one point someone on the back wall managment told Mitch V that he was going to have to calm down or be asked to leave? Doug gave a look to whoever said that (Bular?) not to go there.

To be honest I was stunned and in a mild state of shock for a few hours after, it was that ####’n of a display of "West Side Story" voracity.

It was pretty unbelievable stuff.

This is going to be very entertaining. Between the west, and the east, Parker is starting to lose control. The F/A group will certainly have some surprises for him, as well as the mechanics. Maybe something good will come out of all of this. You say Kirby is the one to do the CLT show?

 

[Black Swan]

Frankly the west pilots should stick to their day job, drug running and id theft. Your pilot pay over the years is a joke.

Lets crunch some numbers.

Damn, those were some horrid W-2 s all those years. I heard it was bad, I didn't know it was THIS bad!

 

[nic4us]

Not really that unbelievable, reminded me of a kindergarten class after a childs birthday party! MM!

So MM...are you saying you were there? or have you started down the path that your fellow east posters rely on so often of just putting out a falsehood, then referencing that lie to make your point?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were there. So I have a question for you, since you were in attendance.

What brings you to Phoenix?

 

[luvn737s]

This is going to be very entertaining. Between the west, and the east, Parker is starting to lose control. The F/A group will certainly have some surprises for him, as well as the mechanics. Maybe something good will come out of all of this. You say Kirby is the one to do the CLT show?

Kirby: "Why are you pilots so angry?"
USAPA: "Because, through LOA93, we're paying for your exhorbitant salary and bonuses while you do nothing to correct it"
Kirby: "Isn't that the same reason the west pilots are mad at USAPA? They are paying your exhorbitant wages and FPL while you do nothing?"
USAPA: "Uh, well, uh, that's different....
Kirby: "That's what?"
USAPA: "We're mad! That Piedmont heritage jet still isn't quite the right shade of blue! Whaddya gonna do about it!!"
Kirby (on cellphone) "Hey Doug, it's Scott... Wanna hear somethin' funny?"