US Pilots Labor Discussion

[CallawayGolf]

9'er, that is the crux of the whole issue here. It's what the East has to offer, not what the West has.

The crux of the issue is not who has or who wants what. It’s not about being willing to survive on a bankruptcy wage agreement and onerous work rules. USAPA has a federally-mandated duty to represent all pilots of US Airways fairly and equally in their role as the sole bargaining agent. They are also required to negotiate in good faith with Management to attain a new JCBA and they are now under the NMB rules to do just that. Unlike the individual pilots themselves, USAPA cannot simply say that they don’t want to negotiate with Management. Because USAPA is required to negotiate, they will have to address section 22. The west pilots and Management believe USAPA’s interpretation of the Transition Agreement and the 9th ruling on ripeness is contrary to the law.

This is the crux of the issue. USAPA is caught between a rock and a hard place because the east pilots don’t want a new contract with the NIC but USAPA is required to negotiate with Management regardless of what the east pilots want, and they must do so in such a way that does not constitute a failure of their DFR responsibilities. This task is impossible so long a Management refuses to accept a non-NIC list which forces USAPA into a position that they can’t effectively get out of. So, you will very likely not get what you want which I interpret to be status quo until retirement.

 

[nic4us]

Run from the light? Yes, it is a train named Nicolau. Who ever said I wanted anything west? Prove it with a post. Believe what you want. Nobody cares for anything you guys have. We want you to keep what you have, live long and prosper. Just stay away, thanks.

What I have is a position and status within the company that defines my relative rank amongst my peers.

If usapa is so adamant about me keeping that position, why is it they need to reorder the list and move thousands of former east pilots in front of me?

 

[nic4us]

You are not taking Jimbo's word for that are you? I think he has him pegged as the wrong guy, but who knows. Your wrong about the hiring/furloughing all being Airways, at least for most of this group.

BB said he was a '99 hire. I have directly asked Nos at least a half dozen times if it was true, and never recieved a denial or repudiation. So I am assuming it to be likely that Nos is not in the top 517 for sure.

What I was saying about the furloughing being all Airways, was that a '99 hire was well past the rebranding from US Air to USAirways, and that the person hired in '99 on the east had quite the different background than many others with the more diverse (i.e. Piedmont, PSA, USAIR) backgrounds.

 

[Metroyet]

I guess you missed that episode of the West Crew News last year.

It's a bad things cross a scab unions picket line? I don't think so...never met anybody who would care less.

 

[luvthe9]

It's a bad things cross a scab unions picket line? I don't think so...never met anybody who would care less.

Thank you for making abundantly clear what we have known for years. You will rationalize any action that benefits you. This is precisely why we know we cannot merge these two lists, and expect to go forward. Separate ops is the only way to go, or people like Metroyet will cross any line, for any reason that benefits same.

 

[700UW]

Just like the east pilots who cut a sweetheart deal and crossed the IAM M&R picket line in October of 1992.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[icehead]

It's a bad things cross a scab unions picket line? I don't think so...never met anybody who would care less.

Your right about one thing. No body would care. Enjoy your years at Greyhound Airlines.

 

[icehead]

Thank you for making abundantly clear what we have known for years. You will rationalize any action that benefits you. This is precisely why we know we cannot merge these two lists, and expect to go forward. Separate ops is the only way to go, or people like Metroyet will cross any list, for any reason that benefits same.

Some people have to repeat over and over that the East pilots are scabs. Makes the jump a little easier at cocktail parties. For some no repetition is necessary.

 

[luvthe9]

Just like the east pilots who cut a sweetheart deal and crossed the IAM M&R picket line in October of 1992.

Pot meet kettle.

Everybody else gave something up. Stupidly, but they did. Then you expected those same people to support those who wouldn't. Not very smart.

 

[700UW]

Revisionist history?

We were willing and did give concessions, so we weren't asking for the moon, just a livable agreement.

So try again.

The AFA supported us, US had to get a court order to order them back to work.

 

[fodase]

FOR PI:

The tail of two pilots, and proof of the east scabs expectations, numbers don't lie, but spineless east scabs sure do.

http://cp.cactuspilots.us/attachment.php?attachmentid=347&d=1301590636

 

[luvn737s]

NO you got it completely wrong. I have NO ego. I have NO debt. I have NO problem with $124 an hour.

Big Deal - Plenty of people have no debt, me among them. You claim you can live within your means, then why not live up to your legal obligations under binding arbitration.

You should forward that last one to the so-called NAC. Unless a junior E-190 F/O really might accept $124/hr, which is the only way your post makes any sense.

 

[Freebird]

I guess you missed that episode of the West Crew News last year.

Must have missed it.

Is it similar to the East agreed to enter Binding Arbitration with a mutually selected Arbitrator and then refusing to honor the results as previously agreed? Only to do what is good for themselves rather than the group?


USAPA = Running out of excuses.

 

[azdryheat]

I have NO problem with $124 an hour.

Thanks,
Doug

 

[luvn737s]

It's a bad things cross a scab unions picket line? I don't think so...never met anybody who would care less.

USAPA's primary export is picket line crossers. USAPA's picket line is patterned after the Mummers, however they are called the Dumbers. Also, the Mummers Parade is attended my thousands, the Dumbers might get 5 if they're lucky.

USAPA Picket Line - PHL

I'd high-step right through a Dumbers Parade. However a legitimate union? That line in sacred. I sure wish someone would explain the difference to Cleary.