US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

So you're saying it would be cheaper for Parker to agree to a DOH integration because the east would be willing to forego iimprovements to wages and benefits just to screw the west?

How in the world did you come to that conclusion from that post? Do all of you hear voices out there?

 

[nic4us]

Please provide a link like I have. You can not, that is why you were not hired by any other airline but america west. You west pilots are losers, get over it.

No link required. Just go back a few post scab.

You claimed Cleardirect was hired in 2005, and recently returned from furlough.

Neither of which is true, and we all know you are lying, because this is an anonymous board, and you have no idea who Cleardirect is, therefore you have no idea whether he is a returning furloughee (which he is not).

So you are caught in your lie.

Face it, your scab mentality of rationalizing why you think you should be senior to those who are senior to you has you telling falsehoods. Further, you have some kind of superiority complex, thinking that you are better than others, merely because you were hired at a shithole airline that had to resort to hiring lying losers such as yourself.

Here is another newsflash for ya. Not only could I get hired at AWA, I chose to get hired at AWA, and quite some time before AAA had the misfortune of having to lower its standards and hire lying losers like you.

 

[Phoenix]

Yes,

fitting, endearing, and Final and Binding.

I'm sad to consider that your bitterness about the Nic has been a lot my binding than your hope in it.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I just looked at the West route map.

If you looked at Nosum's map, it's not the west route map. It clearly says it's the non-stop routes served out of PHX. No LAS hub that existed at the merger and includes routes that the west didn't fly prior to the merger.

Apparently those routes you questioned make money or they wouldn't be operated. Calgary & Grand Junction are both big skiing destinations. They may be pretty busy with hikers, rafters, etc in the summer. Yuma...don't know except that there are only 3 commercial flights per day - 2 USX and 1 UAX.

Jim

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I just looked at the West route map.
What on earth kind of loads are their out of Calgary...Grand Junction...Yuma?
Wow...

About the same as Allentown, Williamsport, Presque Isle.

Really, get some new material.

There, not Their

 

[sumadarson]

No link required. Just go back a few post scab.



Here is another newsflash for ya. Not only could I get hired at AWA, I chose to get hired at AWA, and quite some time before AAA had the misfortune of having to lower its standards and hire lying losers like you.

Yeah right. america west airlines. Drug running, drunk flying, picket crossing, ceo drunk driving, identity thieves.

Oh I am sure you fit right in to the america west pilots culture. Scum.

 

[sumadarson]

If you looked at Nosum's map, it's not the west route map. It clearly says it's the non-stop routes served out of PHX. No LAS hub that existed at the merger and includes routes that the west didn't fly prior to the merger.

Apparently those routes you questioned make money or they wouldn't be operated. Calgary & Grand Junction are both big skiing destinations. They may be pretty busy with hikers, rafters, etc in the summer. Yuma...don't know except that there are only 3 commercial flights per day - 2 USX and 1 UAX.

Jim

alpa is wasting their money on you. 28j Jacobs, the america west pilots lawyer, did a better job than you defending america west pilots. That is an insult to you by the way.

 

[nic4us]

I just looked at the West route map.
What on earth kind of loads are their out of Calgary...Grand Junction...Yuma?
Wow...

Calgary is the 5th largest city in Canada, has a population of a little over 1 million. About 4 times the size of say Buffalo, but equal to the Buffalo combined statistical area. But, to get anywhere from Calgary, you are going to fly, nothing else is close, except Edmonton ( another destination, and another million people), which by the way is likely to be a boom town due to the oil sands.

Yuma,on the other hand, not so much.

 

[cleardirect]

Your statement proves what you brought to the airline, nothing. Did you ever sit down and try to understand why no other reputable airline would hire you?

Oh the nic came through and you bragged to your family and loved ones what a deal you got. It did not happen and now you west pilots look like idiots. You should be used to that in your career, because you were, you are and always will be an idiot.

Are you sure that you are not talking about yourself? How many people did you run around telling that you were going to get DOH? When that did not happen how many people did you tell you were going to take seniority and FORCE DOH?

Name calling really! Is that all that is left of your argument?

 

[sumadarson]

Are you sure that you are not talking about yourself? How many people did you run around telling that you were going to get DOH? When that did not happen how many people did you tell you were going to take seniority and FORCE DOH?

Name calling really! Is that all that is left of your argument?

Oh my, I feel devastated by your attack.

You need to work on that limp wrist of yours.

 

[BoeingBoy]

How in the world did you come to that conclusion from that post? Do all of you hear voices out there?

See the question mark at the end of your first sentence? Does a question mark indicate a question or a conclusion? See the question mark at the end of luvn737s sentence you quoted? Why would that question mark signify a conclusion rather than a question? See the question marks at the end of every sentence in this post? Do you honestly think they denote something different each time?

Good ole Pi - any excuse to take a swipe...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Sometimes I think you're so intent on finding things wrong with the Nic that you see things that aren't there or at least try to overcomplicate things to turn them into problems. Nic merged the lists based on the 2005 certified lists. Whether he then took out those that had left employment (or resigned from furlough) between May 2005 and whenever in 2007 matters not other than that leaving them in would have resulted in a list with more names.

I don't know what you think Nic did, but here's what he actually did. Removed the non-flying from each list*, dole out the jobs (300+ East, then by ratios for the remainder of the active line pilots by equip/seat), put into the combined list the non-flying but still with the airline (medical, furlough, etc) while leaving out those who had severed their relationship with US (retired, resigned, death, etc).

So it doesn't matter if he updated the combined list to 12-31-2005, 12-31-2006 or when - the names of the pilots still attached to US in 2007 (employed, medical, furloughed, supervisory, etc) would have been in the same order. The difference would be in the number of people not still attached to US - making the list longer or shorter depending on the date he updated the list too. That's why the bottom active line-flying guy from each airline were still the bottom guys on Nic's updated lists.
* One thing is unclear and not explained. On the east side, the "supervisory" check airmen aren't flying the line full time. I don't know how their peers on the west side are listed on the west list but if there was a difference between the two sides that would have had to be worked out so both sides lists were comparable in listing those pilots.

In other words, updating the list to 2007 didn't help or hurt either side. Likewise, not updating the list wouldn't have helped or hurt either side.

Jim

I found something wrong with Nic the first time I read it, Dave is senior to Dean,and I will go to my grave thinking that was wrong.

If I could sit down with Mr. Nicolau, maybe he could explain it better to me. You will never do it. Your bias is clear and you have no credibility.

I haven't had time to pull out the parts of the Nic that seem to contradict each other. He seems to use pre-merger and post-merger as he sees fit. For example, he says that to agree with Brucia about the furloughed pilots would be using post-merger advancement, but he seems to use post-merger fleets and ratios, right? Where the east shrunk more than the west, yet Dean had 300 below him, but made him use his pre-merger status and stapled him. Page 23.

Do you agree with clear that PID was May2005?

 

[cleardirect]

It is amazing. You were hired in 2005. You just got back from furlough, now you dare lecture. You are a true immature idiot.

Darn the truth must hurt.

More name calling. Your arguments running into facts?

 

[nic4us]

Yeah right. america west airlines. Drug running, drunk flying, picket crossing, ceo drunk driving, identity thieves.

Oh I am sure you fit right in to the america west pilots culture. Scum.

warnings over..

check you PMs.

 

[Pi brat]

See the question mark at the end of your first sentence? Does a question mark indicate a question or a conclusion? See the question mark at the end of luvn737s sentence you quoted? Why would that question mark signify a conclusion rather than a question? See the question marks at the end of every sentence in this post? Do you honestly think they denote something different each time?

Good ole Pi - any excuse to take a swipe...

Jim

Ok A.W. I'll rephrase, it's been a long few days and I didn't get that quite right.

luvn737, what is the matter with your brain that it could lead you to even ask a question like that from my post? Are you hearing voices or something?

How's that A.W., better?