US Pilots Labor Discussion

[sumadarson]

Every time you post, I have a vision of a trailer somewhere in South Carolina, with a bunch of 55 gallon drums everywhere, with a pack of poor German Shepherds chained to them as guard dogs. On top of that trailer are about a dozen dish antennas, tha† occasionally swivel to catch an obscure and mindless message from out west. In that trailer, if one were to open the door, would be a man, wearing boxer shorts and a yellowed pilot shirt with 4 stripes. And that man sits in a swivel chair with wheels, where he can roll to a bank of a dozen or so computers dimly lit in a darkened room..............

Well said Swanny. Best post of the year.

How do you envision 767jetz, Pee Wee Herman?

 

[A320 Driver]

Now pay attention NLG...

Yeah, A320 - all it took was a merger and a big infusion of cash to make it happen. Now tell us all where that big cash infusion was coming from prior to the merger announcement. Even Lakefield said there was no option other than the merger - I'll take his word over yours. After all, the "money maching" you easties love to talk about was in it's 2nd bankruptcy within 3 years. Maybe that "money machine" of the east was devouring money instead of producing it...

Like I said earlier, it just proves that Nic was right - the east did a lot better after the merger than before, just like he said.

Jim

NLG?

Lakefield did NOT say the merger was the ONLY option, he said it was the BEST option.

I won't argue with you, wouldn't do any good anyway. Some East pilot ticked you off and now we are ALL "easties"...even those you used to call "friends".

Your loss.

Driver B)

 

[nic4us]

What's funny is I think there bottom pilots would not mind getting furloughed so they can wind up on the east side and finally share in the growth that AOL had taken from them. How can they let AOL hold them hostage for so long, what ashame. These westies seem to be going over the deep end lately. I guess they have figured things out now.

Translation....

luv supports the usapa scab mentality, and thinks it would be okay for West pilots to get furloughed so they can come in under him and his scab buddies list.

We have figured it out alright, we are fighting a scab organization, you are a member.


PS. I hear the company has arranges 3 billion in new financing, and their future plans do not include the scab union.

Bye bye, mr top 400. Enjoy the early retirement you should have been given 6 years ago.

 

[sumadarson]

Translation....

luv supports the usapa scab mentality, and thinks it would be okay for West pilots to get furloughed so they can come in under him and his scab buddies list.

We have figured it out alright, we are fighting a scab organization, you are a member.


PS. I hear the company has arranges 3 billion in new financing, and their future plans do not include the scab union.

Bye bye, mr top 400. Enjoy the early retirement you should have been given 6 years ago.

america west pilots true colors

 

[nic4us]

Nos,

Are you really a 99 hire? that blew me away when BB posted your hire date.

Now I think I know what it is with you and UA and AWA.

Neither hired you, you had to settle for employment at AAA in 99 after both UA and AWA turned you down.

And we all know that didn't last long. How many years LOS did you get in before the furloughs? Oh, wait, let me rephrase the question. How many Months of service did you get in between furloughs?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Every time you post, I have a vision

Nah, I don't live in your neighborhood and you can't afford mine. I hear Nosum lives in your neighborhood though - that utility pay didn't go far when the bills for flying lessons came in. Hey, were you a nice guy and gave ole Nos a corner of the single-wide to sleep in?

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

I received the 4th edition from Leonidas and looked through it......a couple of questions...and please, just answer the freakin question. thx

How can AOL promise an industry standard contract, which appears that all of their numbers are based upon, when management says there is no way for us to compete in that environment? Especially, inlight of the fact that AWA has never had an industry standard contract.

How can AOL expect me to give it all up and accept the NIC on the premise of an industry standard contract, when we all know what a battle that will be with management? Do I just trust AOL.... (who wants to put a guy, 15 yrs my junior ahead of me on the list)? Sure, that's the ticket!... All this in the hopes of something better than a win on LOA93? easy decision for me.

Since giving in to the NIC for an industry standard contract is a pipe dream that I just can't invest in, what does AOL have in mind to get through this storm.....knowing that the pipe dream is what it is. What physical action, other than the NIC acceptance pipe dream, does AOL want me to commit to....I am open to REASONABLE ideas.

Honestly, what is AOL's plan......what good do they have to offer the East pilots? No disrespect intended. Is their whole agenda just to try and fcuk up USAPA?

I see no answers in this Mexican stand off and the AOL/USAPA mailings have no new answers or ideas. We will have to wait for the courts to decide, which management will delay as long as possible.

(also, I found the picture of the hand extended on the last page to be a bit creepy)

 

[sumadarson]

Nos,

Are you really a 99 hire? that blew me away when BB posted your hire date.

Now I think I know what it is with you and UA and AWA.

Neither hired you, you had to settle for employment at AAA in 99 after both UA and AWA turned you down.

And we all know that didn't last long. How many years LOS did you get in before the furloughs? Oh, wait, let me rephrase the question. How many Months of service did you get in between furloughs?

Back to the scabbing accusations please. The america west plane in Australia. The story of the america west pilots making fun of women and children by your west pilots after stealing their husbands jobs.

Your thoughts please sir.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Nos,

Are you really a 99 hire?

Nos wouldn't tell the truth if his mother's life depended on it, but yes. Hang on a sec and I get the hire date....7/19/99. He was furloughed on the Sept 1 2002 bid and got recalled on the first bid of 2008.

Jim

ps - you've probably noticed that he is always "inviting" others to answer his questions/accusations but never, ever answers a question asked of him. He'll just use those as a springboard for further questions/accusations/name calling.

 

[sumadarson]

Nos wouldn't tell the truth if his mother's life depended on it, but yes. Hang on a sec and I get the hire date....7/19/99. He was furloughed on the Sept 1 2002 bid and got recalled on the first bid of 2008.

Jim

Psssssssssssst! You have no clothes on sir.

 

[des nudo]

Didn't a west CA and FO sue their own flight attendant for blowing the whistle on them for attempting a takeoff without deicing?

http://www.helpflightattendantcrew.blogspot.com/

yeah....classy operators. Real safe too...

cheers

 

[luvthe9]

(also, I found the picture of the hand extended on the last page to be a bit creepy)

That was the West reaching out to steal your job.

 

[luvthe9]

Translation....

luv supports the usapa scab mentality, and thinks it would be okay for West pilots to get furloughed so they can come in under him and his scab buddies list.

We have figured it out alright, we are fighting a scab organization, you are a member.


PS. I hear the company has arranges 3 billion in new financing, and their future plans do not include the scab union.

Bye bye, mr top 400. Enjoy the early retirement you should have been given 6 years ago.

Yes I support USAPA, please tell us all about the future plans of this train wreck, for the life of me I can't figure out why you westies don't want to be split from us, I think if both sides work for the same goal we could get this split done, it would be best for both sides. What do you think?

 

[sumadarson]

united airlines alpa pilots are looking like fools now

""" A Message From the Master Chairman, Captain Wendy Morse

From CNN to Fortune Magazine to the Stanford University Business School, United’s new management team has been very busy touting the progress they are making in integrating United and Continental. The business press has been fawning, accepting company statements at face value. The following statements are two points that the company has been pitching:

“… I'm a big believer in culture, especially in a service business, and what we're creating is a culture based on what I like to say are the two things my mommy taught me: Treat other people like you'd like to be treated, and never tell a lie.”


“If you have a workforce that enjoys each other, they trust each other, they trust management, they're proud of where they work -- then they're going to deliver a good product. You can lecture and train, but unless they really believe in who they work for and are proud of who they work for, and trust each other and trust management, you won't get that. …”

Unfortunately the reality is very different at the negotiating table, where company negotiators continue to take far too long in turning around proposals on the different sections of the contract, and the proposals they do eventually pass across the table continue to contain further work-rule concessions from United’s bankruptcy contract. It takes the company weeks or months to counter proposals. Sometimes the excuse is unforeseen absences of one or two company personnel and other times they claim costing proposals takes time. When one considers that the original goal for the entire Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) process was only eight weeks in duration, any excuse is simply unacceptable.

Yet again inconsistent with the goal of getting to an agreement, the company was unable to meet with our negotiators this week, so CAL-MEC Chairman Jay Pierce and I met with the Joint Negotiating Committee in Houston to evaluate the state of the most recent proposals for the scheduling sections passed by the company last week. The sections of the contract passed by the company last week are: 5, Hours of Service; 8, Filling of Vacancies; 20, Allocation, Assignment and Scheduling of Flying; and 22, International Agreement. The JNC has spent 10 weeks deliberating and exchanging proposals with the company on these sections alone, and only one section is anywhere near the framework of reaching agreement.

When the Transition and Process Agreement was signed last July, ALPA and the company committed to a “smooth and seamless” movement towards a single pilot contract by the merger closing date, now seven months past! Granted, there were unforeseen delays in the fall of 2010, but we have been negotiating in earnest now since the beginning of 2011, and we are only incrementally closer to a completed JCBA.

Why is the company being so recalcitrant? It may bespeak a certain level of timidity on the part of senior management that causes concern for their ability to compete in the global marketplace with competition such as Emirates and the other Asian and Middle-Eastern government-supported tigers. It would be nice if this was not the case, and there would be no better way to prove this than by coming to an agreement with ALPA. In the meantime they are utterly failing to appreciate the poisonous and deeply corrosive atmosphere they are fostering amongst the employees of the new United Airlines by allowing negotiations to drag out this long."""

 

[BoeingBoy]

How can AOL expect me to give it all up and accept the NIC on the premise of an industry standard contract, when we all know what a battle that will be with management?

Just my 2 cents since I haven't read any of the info/propaganda sent from either side. I don't see the east as accepting anything till the tentative is nailed down (presumably after the LOA 93 result comes in). I suspect that if the company thinks they have the legal room to accept DOH (or don't get any guidance from the courts), they'll try to low-ball the rest of the TA counting on the east to ratify just to get DOH for section 22. And that's when the fun begins - DFR2 (or 1 all over again) ending with the courts saying that NIC is the list that must be in section 22 of an already ratified agreement. So DOH gets replaced with the NIC and the low-ball contract becomes binding with no further vote - remember, the NMB doesn't require membership ratification and the courts can overrule the C&B/L's if they violate the union's DFR responsibility. In the meantime, $eham and the west legal team get bags of money.

Jim