US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

You could never hurt my feelings. I truly feel sorry for you and your inability to respect binding arbitration. You'll continue to try to justify USAPA's illegal actions knowing that you may benefit at the West's expense. Pathetic.

I'm not preaching to you Pi, just sharing the truth of the matter.

How many of your East pilots are former military? Do they too fail the priciple of Integrity? Selling oneself out is a testament to your character or lack thereof.

USAPA = Still Losing.

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[Phoenix]

Kinda like a soap opera, huh? But who are you to tell anyone to get a life?

He has a lot of experience on this board... over 6,000 posts!

 

[fodase]

I gave you a chance to prove USAPA wrong. There are 400 less pilots, fine I will take your word for and wasn't really questioning the number, just pointing out how high the number was for the 22 A/C you mentioned. Were any of those pilots senior to EF?

The past doesn't matter right? Furloughed don't count right? Isn't that the west mantra?

HMM, but didn't all that happen after the merger when we were one company? checkmate.

 

[Pi brat]

HMM, but didn't all that happen after the merger when we were one company? checkmate.

What merger? We are still operating under the transition agreement, right?

 

[fodase]

Hey fodase,

Are you waiting for AOL to get back to you with the true data to counter USAPA's graph? I pulled the lastest west seniority list on wings and found that EF is just about where USAPA said he was on the west list, about 85% of the entire list, not just active westies. When are you going to show us the real data?

God, just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber. Usapa's graph uses flawed data to begin with, oh well I should know beeter than to dicuss things with dumb people.

 

[doh nogo]

He was on here daily telling us how it should be done.

767jetz

You must really be desperate for attention. Even resorting to quoting yourself, all in an attempt to bait someone who considers you irrelevant.

So did you learn anything from the UA and CO pilots? It's called UNITY and SOLIDARITY. They pulled off a nationwide picketing event with almost 1000 pilots. How many pathetic looking, downtrodden souls showed up to support USAPA's last "picket?" How many pilots from other airlines showed up for USAPA? My UA friends report that they had pilots from Delta, AA, Spirit, several regional airlines, and flight attendants as well marching shoulder to shoulder with them.

USAPA is a complete failure and a farce. You will live under the self-inflicted pain of LOA93 until the courts sort this out to the inevitable conclusion of a Nic inclusive contract. Enjoy!

And for the record, 767jetz is right. DL/NW pilots have already proven what a failure the east, DOH, and USAPA have been. UA/CO are now doing the same. I never remember him saying that management will roll over and hand them what they want without a fight. And I envy their unity, something we will never have since the east pilots poisoned the trough. It's that unity that gives them the leverage that makes them successful where USAPA continues to fail.

- I DO remember 767jetz telling you that the CO and UA pilots would overcome their differences and come together in unity, which they obviously have. (YOU WERE WRONG)

- I DO remember him telling you that UA will have a contract LONG before we ever will with USAPA in control. (Far more sections closed and in a shorter time than USAPA can ever hope for. YOU WERE WRONG AGAIN)

- I DO remember him saying that the recall of Wendy Morse would go nowhere since they didn't have the votes to make it happen. (yup! WRONG ONE MORE TIME)

All things you were shooting your mouth off about at one time or another... AND YOU WERE WRONG. With that track record I would think you'd crawl back under your rock and zip your trap. But who am I to stop you from demonstrating your desperate, jealous, ignorant personality, day after day. I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[Pi brat]

You must really be desperate for attention. Even resorting to quoting yourself, all in an attempt to bait someone who considers you irrelevant.

So did you learn anything from the UA and CO pilots? It's called UNITY and SOLIDARITY. They pulled off a nationwide picketing event with almost 1000 pilots. How many pathetic looking, downtrodden souls showed up to support USAPA's last "picket?" How many pilots from other airlines showed up for USAPA? My UA friends report that they had pilots from Delta, AA, Spirit, several regional airlines, and flight attendants as well marching shoulder to shoulder with them.

USAPA is a complete failure and a farce. You will live under the self-inflicted pain of LOA93 until the courts sort this out to the inevitable conclusion of a Nic inclusive contract. Enjoy!

And for the record, 767jetz is right. DL/NW pilots have already proven what a failure the east, DOH, and USAPA have been. UA/CO are now doing the same. I never remember him saying that management will roll over and hand them what they want without a fight. And I envy their unity, something we will never have since the east pilots poisoned the trough. It's that unity that gives them the leverage that makes them successful where USAPA continues to fail.

- I DO remember 767jetz telling you that the CO and UA pilots would overcome their differences and come together in unity, which they obviously have. (YOU WERE WRONG)

- I DO remember him telling you that UA will have a contract LONG before we ever will with USAPA in control. (Far more sections closed and in a shorter time than USAPA can ever hope for. YOU WERE WRONG AGAIN)

- I DO remember him saying that the recall of Wendy Morse would go nowhere since they didn't have the votes to make it happen. (yup! WRONG ONE MORE TIME)

All things you were shooting your mouth off about at one time or another... AND YOU WERE WRONG. With that track record I would think you'd crawl back under your rock and zip your trap. But who am I to stop you from demonstrating your desperate, jealous, ignorant personality, day after day. I'm embarrassed for you.

Man. Isn't it great that you are at UA(or is it CO, SW, AT or anybody else) and you can watch this train wreck from afar and laugh at old NOS? Oh wait. You are a US pilot? I'm sorry. Does being right about everything help ease your pain? Doesn't look like it.
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[BoeingBoy]

Says the one who knows it all...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Says the one who knows it all...

Jim

Talking to yourself again beebee?

 

[PullUp]

Unity.

USAPA will continue to wallow in the doldrums of obscurity until they achieve unity among the pilots. USAPA is anti-unity. Another thing, USAPA should stop writing the updates complaining about how poor off they are when they dug themselves into the hole.

Todays Update:

The deeper we get into negotiations, the more rhetoric we hear from the Company about how "unique" it is, and to a degree we have to agree. For example, they seem to be uniquely unable to make money. They are uniquely unable to run an efficient operation. US Airways, alone in the industry and in their infinite wisdom, is the only carrier that isn't hedging (hedging requires an investment in the carrier; they'd rather 'invest' in management bonuses). They say they are uniquely unable to pay competitive salaries. And perhaps worst of all, they have a unique ability to show just how much contempt they have for their employees and how unconcerned they are for our welfare.

With regard to the last points on what this management group thinks about the pilot group, we won't repeat it here, but we invite you to click here to read the CLT Vice Chairman's Special Update on pilot pushing. Click here to read just how well Management treated one of our pilots who recently lost her medical due to a fumes incident. These are just two of the most recent examples; we've all had our own experiences.

Let's take a look for a moment at a quick comparison between the darling of the industry (Southwest) and El Numero Last (LCC -- even the Company's stock symbol is a joke). Using rough figures, SWA pays each of its 2,950 Captains about $90K per year more than US Airways. That's about $265 million more per year in Captain wages. They also pay their 2,950 First Officers about $40K per year more than US Airways. That's about $118 million more per year in First Officer wages, for a rough total of $383 million dollars more that SWA pays in pilot payroll than US Airways. Then, let's look at ancillary fees. Last year, US Airways collected about $514 million in bag and other ancillary fees from its passengers. As SWA actually values its passengers (and employees, imagine that!), it doesn't charge bag fees. So let's add this up: $383 million in pilot wages not paid by LCC, plus $514 million in fees collected, for a total cost/revenue advantage of $897 million. Yet US Airways, under the expert guidance of this skilled management team, is uniquely unable to remain profitable. They say they can't pay even industry-standard wages but, finally, *ARE* uniquely able to continue to award significant bonuses to themselves while the carrier languishes. Unique indeed.To get a feel for what it's like to work for a real airline, one that values its employees even more than it values its passengers, one that continues to seek out new opportunities and grow even in down cycles, one that runs a highly efficient operation, one that is highly regarded by both its passengers and employees, one that works proactively WITH its pilots rather than against -- leading in turn to a pilot group that works with their management team to the benefit of all -- see the attachment that the Southwest pilot group sent the incoming AirTran pilots welcoming them to the airline.

Once you've read the attachment, ask yourself -- are you willing to continue working for the lowest pay and worst working conditions in the industry? Have you had enough yet?USAPA Communications


USAPA = Enjoying the fruits of your labor.

That is no answer. I want to know how YOU (the smartass westies) would make it all turn out alright.
Give me specifics, not more bitchin'.

 

[Pi brat]

That is no answer. I want to know how YOU (the smartass westies) would make it all turn out alright.
Give me specifics, not more bitchin'.

OMG PullUp, obviously you have not been paying attention. All we have to do is give in on the Nic-then the west will join the east and we will skip hand in hand through the terminals of this great land and force Douglas Parker to give us the wages and benefits we DESERVE, and we will once again be like America West, leading the industry to the promised land! Try to keep up man! :blink:

 

[doh nogo]

Man. Isn't it great that you are at UA(or is it CO, SW, AT or anybody else) and you can watch this train wreck from afar and laugh at old NOS? Oh wait. You are a US pilot? I'm sorry. Does being right about everything help ease your pain? Doesn't look like it.
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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Did I ever say I was a UA pilot? Was I even responding to you? I think it's pretty obvious I am a US(west) pilot, and I was refuting some of the lies, false claims, and obvious flame bating of sumadarson. You have a problem with that, why? Oh. That's right. Because you are no better than him lately. FYI, it was not me who was right about anything since I did not make the statements that I referred to, and sumadarson is the one who keeps bringing up the subject endlessly. It was 767jetz who was right, and sumadarson who was wrong. (Over and over and over again.) Does it bother you that much? Looks like it, since you interjected yourself to the conversation. And it is your pain that needs to be eased, being on the wrong end of LOA93 and the wrong end of this train wreck you helped create and perpetuate.

 

[Pi brat]

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Did I ever say I was a UA pilot? Was I even responding to you? I think it's pretty obvious I am a US(west) pilot, and I was refuting some of the lies, false claims, and obvious flame bating of sumadarson. You have a problem with that, why? Oh. That's right. Because you are no better than him lately. FYI, it was not me who was right about anything since I did not make the statements that I referred to, and sumadarson is the one who keeps bringing up the subject endlessly. It was 767jetz who was right, and sumadarson who was wrong. (Over and over and over again.) Does it bother you that much? Looks like it, since you interjected yourself to the conversation. And it is your pain that needs to be eased, being on the wrong end of LOA93 and the wrong end of this train wreck you helped create and perpetuate.

Zoom..................right over his head!

 

[Metroyet]

That is no answer. I want to know how YOU (the smartass westies) would make it all turn out alright.
Give me specifics, not more bitchin'.

Sorry. You made the mess...you can clean it up all by yourselves. Look at the bright side, perhaps your new found cleaning skills can help supplement your retirement income after you retire on loa 93.

Real answer...USCABA and ALL of it's primary players need to be thrown in the trash and a real union...with national over site needs to come in and provide some adult supervision over the east.

USAPA is an abject failure and there is no "fixing" it. Scrape it. Burn it and start over. Until then, you can enjoy loa 93 and the 35,000 word CLT updates that sound like the paranoid manifesto of mad men.

 

[sumadarson]

You must really be desperate for attention. Even resorting to quoting yourself, all in an attempt to bait someone who considers you irrelevant.

So did you learn anything from the UA and CO pilots? It's called UNITY and SOLIDARITY. They pulled off a nationwide picketing event with almost 1000 pilots. How many pathetic looking, downtrodden souls showed up to support USAPA's last "picket?" How many pilots from other airlines showed up for USAPA? My UA friends report that they had pilots from Delta, AA, Spirit, several regional airlines, and flight attendants as well marching shoulder to shoulder with them.

USAPA is a complete failure and a farce. You will live under the self-inflicted pain of LOA93 until the courts sort this out to the inevitable conclusion of a Nic inclusive contract. Enjoy!

And for the record, 767jetz is right. DL/NW pilots have already proven what a failure the east, DOH, and USAPA have been. UA/CO are now doing the same. I never remember him saying that management will roll over and hand them what they want without a fight. And I envy their unity, something we will never have since the east pilots poisoned the trough. It's that unity that gives them the leverage that makes them successful where USAPA continues to fail.

- I DO remember 767jetz telling you that the CO and UA pilots would overcome their differences and come together in unity, which they obviously have. (YOU WERE WRONG)

- I DO remember him telling you that UA will have a contract LONG before we ever will with USAPA in control. (Far more sections closed and in a shorter time than USAPA can ever hope for. YOU WERE WRONG AGAIN)

- I DO remember him saying that the recall of Wendy Morse would go nowhere since they didn't have the votes to make it happen. (yup! WRONG ONE MORE TIME)

All things you were shooting your mouth off about at one time or another... AND YOU WERE WRONG. With that track record I would think you'd crawl back under your rock and zip your trap. But who am I to stop you from demonstrating your desperate, jealous, ignorant personality, day after day. I'm embarrassed for you.

Jetz is an airline pilots association paid message board propagandist, as is bongboy. The money that was shown paid to aaa-awa was in part paid to them to monitor this message board.

You mention ""How many pathetic looking, downtrodden souls showed up to support USAPA's last "picket?"".

How many west pilots participated in this????????????? Answer, zero.

Facts;

Your airline ceo, Doug Parker is a drunk and has a proven track record of alcohol problems his whole life.

Your america west pilot management, flew illegal drugs.

Your america west pilots flew drunk.

Your america west pilots have many scabs in the past, almost 100. Rest easy, 767jetz posters united pilots and continental pilots still have the record of scab pilots.

Your america west pilots, chief pilot is an identity thief and stole personal information from the east pilots, including social security numbers, passport numbers and much more sensitive information.

There is much more troubling information from the past regarding america west airlines management and its pilots.

Please provide a defense of my posting above, of the history of america west airlines management and its pilots. I will provide links to each one happily.

Have a pleasant day sir.