US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvn737s]

Listen I'm not defending USAPA I'll be the first to admit that the inmates are running the asylum up there. I'm talking about moving forward. The west wants the Nic, the fastest way to the Nic is DFR II. The East wants a new contract with DOH, the fastest way to that is with the wests support for a new contract, and the leverage that it would allow the group as a whole to exert on the company, which again leads us to the west supporting but not voting for a new contract in order to facilitate DFR II.

HUH???

If you aren't actively working to replace USAPA, then you are giving tacit approval to Cleary and USAPA's failure as a union.

The fastest way to a contract is for the NAC to go into Parker tomorrow and tell them they want LOA93 (or Kirby if they're feeling gutsy) and DOH and they want to revoke membership ratification (ask any PSA/Jetstream guy) and have the BPR vote the contract in for a 2 year term. They should have done this the second day USAPA was elected, but they were too busy high-fiving themselves and missed that opportunity. DOH would be codified and it would be up to AOL to untie the knot.

You have to ask why Cleary is doing nothing. If you have a male dog, a similar question can be answered with the phrase, "because he can". Nothing is stopping him from doing whatever he wants.

And DFR I or II or MCMXLVII doesn't implement the NIC, a vote does. But the F/O you and I pay $200K to won't let you vote because he knows that would be a referrendum on his tenure - a legacy of corruption and failure.

If you really want a unified pilot group, help replace USAPA with a bipartisan union lead by mature adults that can produce results, not rhetoric.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Actually try in excess of 750 by the end of 2016.

I'll have to check, but that is over 5.5 years from now so naturally the number will be bigger the futher one looks into the future. It is longer than the 5 years I used or "the reality is that 900 pilots within 4 years is allot of movement" that I was replying to.

It's also worth noting that ~150 of your 750 are already out on medical (and a whopping 3 already retired).

 

[luvn737s]

Is that the same Mark Burman who was picketing with East pilots not too long ago?

So much for any attempt at unity.

Nice, move USAPA.....

That would be the same Mark Burman that was the only west pilot Randy Mowery consulted when the C&R's were being crafted according to Mowery's testimony.

Do the east pilots really think that one west pilot's opinion is sufficient to craft the only protections offered under USAPA's seniority proposal?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Can you imagine 50%+1 of the entire pilot group saying, "Nope, I'd rather stay stuck in the same mess for a few more years" by voting NO? Do pilots in general choose to sit idly by in times of crisis and do nothing, rather than try alternatives that will lead to success?

The so-called solidarity that converted adolescent emotion into a sham of a union can't be counted on 3 years later to carry the vote for continued quagmire.

How's that success alternative working out WEST, Identity theft, 2mill+ wasted, fragmentation around the corner, not to mention you think this will stay status quo to WEST advantage a couple of years,! DREAMS ARE FREE!

 

[USA320Pilot]

Risky Business. A Brief Introduction to Illegal Job Actions and Status Quo Violations.

Update for May 6, 2011: Risky Business. A Brief Introduction to Illegal Job Actions and Status Quo Violations. Colorful lanyards are sweet, but when can we expect meaningful results from USAPA? Can anyone say Railway Labor Act?

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[Freebird]

How's that success alternative working out WEST, Identity theft, 2mill+ wasted, fragmentation around the corner, not to mention you think this will stay status quo to WEST advantage a couple of years,! DREAMS ARE FREE!

Which carnival did your crystal ball come from? Keep clicking your heels on the E-190.

USAPA = Incapable.

 

[cactusboy53]

How's that success alternative working out WEST, Identity theft, 2mill+ wasted, fragmentation around the corner, not to mention you think this will stay status quo to WEST advantage a couple of years,! DREAMS ARE FREE!

Mut;
You just can't keep doing those double espresso shots. There was no ID theft, every dime spent was well worth it, no fragmentation to pull USAPA's butt out of the trouble pit that they keep digging. See you Philly soon.

 

[jimntx]

I haven't clicked on this thread in over a year until now. I can not believe that everyone is saying the same thing over and over again that you were all saying a year ago, two years ago, three years ago. And, NOTHING about the situation has changed. May I suggest that you all go out and get a life.

 

[Pi brat]

When this merger happened, both MEC's agreed that furloughed pilots were to be junior to all active pilots.

I don't remember that in the TA. Please post the relevant section.

 

[Pi brat]

When you dont like the message, attack the messenger.

Not really. I couldn't give a rat's rear about your message. I know what did and is now happening and I don't need some smart Axx guy preaching to me. The jab was for your avatar and slogans. I REALLY don't like that commercial, and your slogans are.....well, I'll be nice since I hurt your feelings and will temper that one.

 

[Pi brat]

I haven't clicked on this thread in over a year until now. I can not believe that everyone is saying the same thing over and over again that you were all saying a year ago, two years ago, three years ago. And, NOTHING about the situation has changed. May I suggest that you all go out and get a life.

Kinda like a soap opera, huh? But who are you to tell anyone to get a life?

 

[Freebird]

Not really. I couldn't give a rat's rear about your message. I know what did and is now happening and I don't need some smart Axx guy preaching to me. The jab was for your avatar and slogans. I REALLY don't like that commercial, and your slogans are.....well, I'll be nice since I hurt your feelings and will temper that one.

You could never hurt my feelings. I truly feel sorry for you and your inability to respect binding arbitration. You'll continue to try to justify USAPA's illegal actions knowing that you may benefit at the West's expense. Pathetic.

I'm not preaching to you Pi, just sharing the truth of the matter.

How many of your East pilots are former military? Do they too fail the priciple of Integrity? Selling oneself out is a testament to your character or lack thereof.

USAPA = Still Losing.

 

[Pi brat]

You could never hurt my feelings. I truly feel sorry for you and your inability to respect binding arbitration. You'll continue to try to justify USAPA's illegal actions knowing that you may benefit at the West's expense. Pathetic.

I'm not preaching to you Pi, just sharing the truth of the matter.

How many of your East pilots are former military? Do they too fail the priciple of Integrity? Selling oneself out is a testament to your character or lack thereof.

USAPA = Still Losing.

You truly are clueless...............my friend. Where's that section of the TA I've been asking for? I'm giving you the chance to show your integrity.

 

[Pi brat]

Hey Freebird, what is your year of hire, I want to see if my guess is right.

 

[Pi brat]

Hey fodase,

Are you waiting for AOL to get back to you with the true data to counter USAPA's graph? I pulled the lastest west seniority list on wings and found that EF is just about where USAPA said he was on the west list, about 85% of the entire list, not just active westies. When are you going to show us the real data?