US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cactusboy53]

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thats sweet, with the nic, you can be banging across thr atlantic..im done with that.....im more about banging the wifes who are left behind...got any pictures avail..? oh and i dont do kids, got my own, so could you have your mom pick them up....as young as you are , i might bang her too..i love the non thought of the nic......sweeeeet....!!!

Wow. For someone that is so much more mature than I am, that's an interesting collection thoughts & threats. I am afraid that the post is going to have to go into a file for later use. Please have a wonderful day, I know I will.

CB

 

[luvn737s]

Doesn't sound like you read it.

Sounds like the so-called gatekeepers at USAPA are choosing what confidential information they want to make public.

Perhaps ASAP should be shut down, if those in charge can't be more responsible.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Sounds like the so-called gatekeepers at USAPA are choosing what confidential information they want to make public.

Perhaps ASAP should be shut down, if those in charge can't be more responsible.

Not sure what that has to do with my post. I just read the one you referenced in yours and what you posted doesn't seem relevant. In the post about that flight, it said the attempt to contact was made when they were nearing the runway and you posted information about takeoff.

 

[No Land Green]

That lowball contract offer that you refer to would have (at the least) garnered a narrow body east captain an additional estimated $40,000 a year in wage, $4000 a year in 401K company contributions, an total of 31 days of vacation a year, an industry leading short term disability & long term disability program, better rigs & duty, 100% DH & 100% Mechanical (just to name a few items). That contract could have been accomplished as early as 2008. That translates to a current loss of $132,000 to date. Never to be recovered.

Please explain how you arrived at the "$40,000 a year in wage" figure. Thank you.

 

[luvn737s]

Not sure what that has to do with my post. I just read the one you referenced in yours and what you posted doesn't seem relevant. In the post about that flight, it said the attempt to contact was made when they were nearing the runway and you posted information about takeoff.

No, it said they noticed the smell of smoke as they neared the runway, but doesn't say when they attempted to contact the cockpit. From the evidence, it appears the system worked as it should. If the F/A was that concerned, they had other ways of getting the flight deck's attention.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

No, it said they noticed the smell of smoke as they neared the runway, but doesn't say when they attempted to contact the cockpit. From the evidence, it appears the system worked as it should. If the F/A was that concerned, they had other ways of getting the flight deck's attention.

Someone has reading comprehension problems. That isn't what it said. You are referencing this post, aren't you?

http://airlineforums.com/topic/49837-us-pilots-labor-discussion/page__view__findpost__p__800438

Why bust on the pilots then, if you are saying the blame lay with the flight attendant?

 

[N924PS]

Someone has reading comprehension problems. That isn't what it said. You are referencing this post, aren't you?

http://airlineforums.com/topic/49837-us-pilots-labor-discussion/page__view__findpost__p__800438

Why bust on the pilots then, if you are saying the blame lay with the flight attendant?

I wonder if the Captain wrote up the interphone/call system in conjunction with this incident.

"OPS CHECK NORMAL"

 

[JetMonkey]

I'm not a lowlife. I accept final and binding...

 

[cactusboy53]

Please explain how you arrived at the "$40,000 a year in wage" figure. Thank you.

Not too fuzzy math: Kirby proposal was AWA + 3%. In testimony the company stated that they estimated it might take an additional 7-8% on top of that to nudge the contract over the line. Who is to say that we couldn't have forced them to 15% more than the Kirby proposal?

An AWA captain makes about $143 and hour. With an 11% increase, that makes it $158 an hour. At an 85 hour month & 12 months.....a yearly wage of $161,160 vs. the approximate east narrow body current pay (same hours & months) @ $127,500. The exact number would be $33,660. This is based solely on the testimony during the Addington trial, and as such a rough estimate (had the AAA JNC not been instructed to leave the JNC table, and had the AAA pilot group chosen to not force a collective bargaining agent vote).

Considering that (at the time) there were contracts being negotiated NORTH of $160.00 (remember Spirit? $186 an hour!!) an hour for narrow body, I believe it is reasonable for our pilots to have gotten $165-185 an hour for those jobs. All the effort and money spent chasing DOH would have gone a very long way to getting that wage for captains and perhaps $125-130 for the FO's.

This will end, eventually. I may be wrong, but I do believe that ultimately the Nicolau award will be only seniority list recognized by the courts & LCC. When that happens, the amount of money that "we" have left in LCC's pocket will be amazing.

The ball is in your court. We stand firmly on legal, moral & ethical grounds. We are funded & will not lay down. Do you continue to delay the inevitable and lose all the wages, benefits & time off.....or do we change USAPA into a union for ALL US Airways pilots? The choice is yours.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

It is reasonable to believe? Gotta luv it, it is also reasonable like, SAN, LAS, LAX , BWI, will be closed pilots will be displaced and we all out EAST are very familiar with SWA and what happens next, it is reasonable to say DP will put NO AMOUNT of money on the table, just like the F/A's to capture any synergy worth the cost! REASONABLE to say! MM! We stand on the moral, logical and experienced higher ground!

 

[Ames]

REASONABLE to say! MM! We stand on the moral, logical and experienced higher ground!

Thanks for the laugh, MM. That's a good one. Really

 

[cactusboy53]

It is reasonable to believe? Gotta luv it, it is also reasonable like, SAN, LAS, LAX , BWI, will be closed pilots will be displaced and we all out EAST are very familiar with SWA and what happens next, it is reasonable to say DP will put NO AMOUNT of money on the table, just like the F/A's to capture any synergy worth the cost! REASONABLE to say! MM! We stand on the moral, logical and experienced higher ground!

Mut;
How about you pour the double espresso down the drain, take a Xanax and take a deep breath. You can stomp your feet & keep fighting (I'd put money on that), or you can react like an adult. We can change USAPA for the better (much better, frankly), and turn our efforts toward LCC.

Now try to be reasonable with your next post.................

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

"Oh, sh*t. I can’t do this. I’m about to have a f*cking panic attack. I need 4 Xanax, and 2 Miller Lites." Kenny Powers

 

[USA320Pilot]

Management's Stated Views on Seniority Integration - Circa 2005

Management's Stated Views on Seniority Integration - Circa 2005. This is an important document for those who want to understand how management viewed seniority integration as the merger progressed in 2005. Situational awareness is also important outside the cockpit.

How many more colorful lanyards will it take before the real problems are resolved?

See Story

 

[Bear96]

It is reasonable to believe? Gotta luv it, it is also reasonable like, SAN, LAS, LAX , BWI, will be closed pilots will be displaced and we all out EAST are very familiar with SWA and what happens next, it is reasonable to say DP will put NO AMOUNT of money on the table, just like the F/A's to capture any synergy worth the cost! REASONABLE to say! MM! We stand on the moral, logical and experienced higher ground!

Wut?

Can someone please translate?