What's your point......Oh, right, you don't have one. Ah, maybe you do, let's just attack everyone and anyone we can who is not a Westie! You're a real piece of work. Work harder, maybe you can find more dirt on the rest of us.
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What's your point......Oh, right, you don't have one. Ah, maybe you do, let's just attack everyone and anyone we can who is not a Westie! You're a real piece of work. Work harder, maybe you can find more dirt on the rest of us.
GorgeousGeorge
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Not sure what happened there but sometimes it is hard to gauge why a judge is asking certain questions. My husband and I purchased a piece of property that was removed from a road but had a right-of way through an adjoining property. Long story short, the adjoining property owner tried to make it unusable, we sued and during the course of the hearings, questions were asked by the judge and it seemed he was going one way but his ruling was completely different to our favor fortunately.
Freebird
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Which part do you need clarification on?
The East pilots have a history of selling out the 'junior' pilots. Given the opportunity to enrichen their paychecks with Delta-esque pay, the majority of them will vote for a contract with the NIC. Dont believe me? Ask Cleary. Thats why he is afraid.
As far as the pay rates quoted; Willflyforfood.com or Airlinepilotcentral.com . You can then see how much you are losing in pay and will NEVER get back.
Integrity Matters.
USAPA = Lowering the bar...
Freebird
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So, Chesley made a deal to purchase this property then, years later, decided to renege on the deal? Where did he learn that? Under oath he eloquently described the merits of Integrity. Yet his actions prove otherwise.
" seeks a nullification of the original loan and reimbursement for alleged overpayments. A trial is set for September if mediation talks fail." Does he plan to abide by the mediation? Only if it goes his way...
USAPA = Our stench travels far and wide.
"You know what you need to do to avoid being sued by west pilots, so why do you need court intervention?."
Judge Silver to company Attorney Bob Siegal.
She is going to dismiss or tell the company they are on the hook for the Nic. In the end they both mean the same.
nycbusdriver
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I can go check, as you suggest. But the amount is NOTHING compared to the amount the west has lost in comparison over the course of our respective careers.
I understand that when you've had the gutter contract of the industry for nearly the entire existence of your carrier, it's fun to prod those who are now further down the ladder than you for the few past years. If Kasher rules for the pilots, we here on the forum will be happy to return the favor as you plunge once again to your lowest-in-the-industry pay rates.
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USAPA Legal Update
Oral Argument Heard in US Airways Declaratory Judgment
Oral argument was held yesterday on USAPA's motion to dismiss the Company's Declaratory Judgment Action in front of Chief Judge Roslyn Silver in Phoenix. Oral argument lasted approximately an hour and a half. Immediately prior to the argument Judge Silver provided the attorneys with a series of written questions, and asked that the arguments be confined to only USAPA's motion to dismiss the Company's declaratory judgment complaint. During the argument Judge Silver asked counsel a series of questions, all centered on whether or not the district court had jurisdiction to entertain the Company's declaratory judgment action in light of the Ninth Circuit's decision, which dismissed the Addington DFR as unripe. Judge Silver concluded the hearing by saying that a written order will issue as soon as she can get to it.
Seems to me the Judge's questions were very much leaning in the direction of dismissal based on lack of jurisdiction...big surprise NOT. Company will appeal to 9th circus, and what do you guys think the 9th will do in light of their past decision regarding Addington?? Man, what a waste of time. Oh yeah, that's exactly what LCC management intended this charade to accomplish; delay, delay, and ....delay!
Oral Argument Heard in US Airways Declaratory Judgment
Oral argument was held yesterday on USAPA's motion to dismiss the Company's Declaratory Judgment Action in front of Chief Judge Roslyn Silver in Phoenix. Oral argument lasted approximately an hour and a half. Immediately prior to the argument Judge Silver provided the attorneys with a series of written questions, and asked that the arguments be confined to only USAPA's motion to dismiss the Company's declaratory judgment complaint. During the argument Judge Silver asked counsel a series of questions, all centered on whether or not the district court had jurisdiction to entertain the Company's declaratory judgment action in light of the Ninth Circuit's decision, which dismissed the Addington DFR as unripe. Judge Silver concluded the hearing by saying that a written order will issue as soon as she can get to it.
Seems to me the Judge's questions were very much leaning in the direction of dismissal based on lack of jurisdiction...big surprise NOT. Company will appeal to 9th circus, and what do you guys think the 9th will do in light of their past decision regarding Addington?? Man, what a waste of time. Oh yeah, that's exactly what LCC management intended this charade to accomplish; delay, delay, and ....delay!
Yep. The court has a massive backlog and US adds to it for nothing. Anyone have an AOL update?
Freebird
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Thats a big "IF". Do you plan to appeal and avoid Kasher's decision if it doesnt go you way? Fortunately, there are smarter pilots back East than"we here on this forum" representing them. The pilots back East who are growing impatient with USAPA's failure and follies.
AWA has had two mediocre contract since ALPA was voted on the property. Both contracts were created in down markets and the pilots lost leverage. There was a lot of room for improvement. However, USAPA, who 'represents' the West is failing to take advantage of the "up" market. They dont have any leverage. They know that they are trying to recapture their 'careers' at the expense of the West. Clawing from the gutter and trying to justify themselves out of another DFR. Pathetic.
USAPA = By the East, for the East.
You might be right there. Why do you think the company didn't just say they would only use the Nic right off the bat? Do you think if AOL had only sued USAPA and left the company out of this we might be further along? What will the west pilots do if this is dismissed? Try to get to a joint contract so they can proceed with DFR II or just delay and live with what you've got?
Freebird
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Yes.
Seham made a fool of himself yet again. Wasting dues money arguing over the percieved 'fairness' of the Nicolau Award. Judge Silver let him ramble on aimlessly. At the proper moment, she asked him if USAPA has done anything to improve the position for the West pilots that they represent. He began to give a dissertation, again aimlessly, that was abruptly countered by the Judge with "I'll take that as a no."
Silver then ask Siegal if the company is prepared to "buy" the Nicolau Award. Thinking outside the box, she put the Nicolau Award squarely in Parkers lap. She did have concerns over jurisdiction. She'd like to put this to bed once and for all. All parties were asked if the case could be expedited by using the Addington transcripts, which Judge Silver read and is very familiar with. Attorney Seham, knowing his money train is coming to and end, implied (No, USAPA and its incompetent legal staff would have to delay and start over). Silver was not impressed.
Nobody knows where Silver will go from here. She may dismiss the case altogether and tell the company to figure it out. Her message was clear to Parker and USAPA. "You know what to do." Translation = You agreed to the Nicolau Award. Use it.
USAPA = Lowest pay 'til the last day!
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