US Pilots Labor Discussion

[OTTER574]

Bargaining Agent=USAPA. FORMER BARGAINING AGENT=ALPA. FORMER SENIORITY PROPOSAL=NICOLAU LIST, PRODUCT OF FORMER BARGAINING AGENT-ALPA. Was the ALPA list accepted? NO. Can it be accepted? Not unless USAPA sanctions it. Is USAPA bound by the FORMER BARGAINING ENTITY ALPA? ABSOLUTELY NOT( 9th court of appeals S.F.)

Now this is getting really interesting..What contract do you work under?

Company accepted the LEGAL list..please get over it so we can move on.

You should've listened to east alpa mec slappen jack stephen.

Otter

 

[767jetz]

usapa says 200 the press (neutral third party) says 2-3 dozen. Who you going to believe?

This one fact wreaks of desperation to me. Fudging the numbers to try and portray support that does not exist. The had no choice but to lie. It was a complete PR embarrassment if they had to admit the truth.

 

[cleardirect]

Oh so you know they have the evidence, sounds like OJ to us! http://www.planebusiness.com/buzz/awausapa.pdfWhat we deal with.

According to USAPA insiders, they are refusing to "let it go" and apologize for putting the former AWA pilots through this event. They intend to "hold the hammer over the heads" of the RICO litigants as a deterrent, claiming they have in their possession the "rocks & human feces" along with other evidence.

That reading comprehension thing again.

As we have seen a lot. usapa claims a lot of things but most turn out not to be true. You see usapa claiming to have evidence and actually having evidence are 2 different things. The false charges NEVER even made it past the motion to dismiss. The case lack any MERIT at all.

Evidence has to be proven in a court of law before it is worth anything. Claiming you have evidence is just talk.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Here we go again. For a bunch of airline pilots your math sure is fuzzy. How did you all get through those math and physics classes before becoming pilots? Never mind.

OK genius... in round numbers UA/CO has about 10500 pilots. We also have 11 domiciles. Yes 11. How many domiciles for your group? And Cleveland is one of the smallest of them all. And they still were able to muster better numbers than your CLT hub.

You can play the numbers day all day if you like. The fact remains that a real airlines like UA, DL, and AA actually have unity, and a majority of pilots without their head in the sand. You guys have little unity and losing ground fast. A pathetic showing for USAPA on all fronts.

Your days are numbered MM. Perhaps now would be a good time to get that GED and brush up on the English language, syntax, and the written word. All good skills to have before your next job search!

Oh so out of 10500 pilots you get 100, you can't non-rev to show solidarity, ALPA SUX, go back to your sandbox, kiss your boy MOAK's butt(youve probably done more than that) and your unity, this is what we think about ALPA and their UNITY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toAEQTsidvg

 

[OTTER574]

That, youngster, was a response to a "what if" question. Please try to follow along. I've already explained here MANY times why you have already lost. Tantrums won't help, nor will quoting court opinions out of context.

I can understand your disappontment. Sucks to find out the "lottery ticket" was a fake.

oldie, do you ever go to the doctor and sometimes.....it just doesn't seem right with the diagnosis? What second opinion has the elite usapa founders obtained DOWN THIS ILLEGAL PATH?

Please publish for all to review, minus lee seham and his side kicks.

Otter

 

[767jetz]

Keep dreaming old man.

Please keep in mind that oldie is not old, nor his he senior. He is an Angry FO back from furlough. He may be "oldER" but he is not who he wants you to think he is.

Aint that right?

 

[D Summons a Seagull]

Please keep in mind that oldie is not old, nor his he senior. He is an Angry FO back from furlough. He may be "oldER" but he is not who he wants you to think he is.

Aint that right, butterhead?

Please keep in mind 767jetz is not old, nor is he senior. He is an angry F/O still on furlough from AWA side. He is very mad that he could not cash in his lottery ticket, which would put about 600 pilots below him. Now he pretends to be a United pilot.

M

 

[767jetz]

Oh so out of 10500 pilots you get 100, you can't non-rev to show solidarity,

Sure. You know anyone who is going to commute from Guam to CLE for a picketing event?

Again genius, unlike your dirtbag airline, our pilot group is not made up of mostly commuters, and we cover much more real estate than your little airline east of the Mississippi. Heck, before your merger, your airline's eastern and western most hubs were in the same state for cryin' out loud!

The fact remains that you couldn't get more than a few dozen USAPA supporter at a major hub like CLT. Post all the worthless links you want, try your best to redirect the conversation, but your support is imaginary and shrinking fast. House of cards my friend.

Here's a link for you:
Get your GED online

 

[767jetz]

Please keep in mind 767jetz is not old, nor is he senior. He is an angry F/O still on furlough from AWA side. He is very mad that he could not cash in his lottery ticket, which would put about 600 pilots below him. Now he pretends to be a United pilot.

M

Gosh darn-it. You done thar figurd me out!

I already told you, I was in new hire school with about 10 of the other posters here. We all couldn't get hired at USAir, the only airline we ever applied to, so we were stuck going to America West waiting for our chance to finally wear that proud USAirways uniform. :blink:

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Sure. You know anyone who is going to commute from Guam to CLE for a picketing event?

Again genius, unlike your dirtbag airline, our pilot group is not made up of mostly commuters, and we cover much more real estate than your little airline east of the Mississippi. Heck, before your merger, your airline's eastern and western most hubs were in the same state for cryin' out loud!

The fact remains that you couldn't get more than a few dozen USAPA supporter at a major hub like CLT. Post all the worthless links you want, try your best to redirect the conversation, but your support is imaginary and shrinking fast. House of cards my friend.

Here's a link for you:
Get your GED online

Making excuses is a sign JETZ, this will be a useful link to help you! http://store.samhsa.gov/mhlocator

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Please keep in mind that oldie is not old, nor his he senior. He is an Angry FO back from furlough. He may be "oldER" but he is not who he wants you to think he is.

Aint that right, butterhead?

Absolutely NOT right. But, then again, you seldom are.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Please keep in mind 767jetz is not old, nor is he senior. He is an angry F/O still on furlough from AWA side. He is very mad that he could not cash in his lottery ticket, which would put about 600 pilots below him. Now he pretends to be a United pilot.

M

Makes alot of sense. That would explain his preoccupation with the LCC Pilot boards. He does come off as an angry young man.

 

[OTTER574]

oldie, do you ever go to the doctor and sometimes.....it just doesn't seem right with the diagnosis? What second opinion has the elite usapa founders obtained DOWN THIS ILLEGAL PATH?

Please publish for all to review, minus lee seham and his side kicks.

Otter

oldie..has a Federal judge ever reversed illegal actions by a union and the company that agreed to such illegal actions? I'll give you a hint and it starts with an A.

Otter

 

[Pilot692]

The West misinterprets the 9th? Kind of hard to misinterpret "not ripe dismissed". The West has a pretty good read on that.

Perhaps you mean the company has misinterpreted the 9ths ruling, they surley do not see what usapa does in the opinion. Corporate legal telegraphed their take on it in their letter to the pilots explaining that the 9th indeed left wide open the possibility of future lawsuits for a union bent on trying to renege on binding arbitration. Even hinting that usapa would lose such a lawsuit, and they were not going to risk being a party the reneging usapa club.

Regardless of who is misinterpreting the 9ths ruling, the facts remain. usapa is incapable of getting a ratified contract, so no DFRII.

Someone forgot to tell the little lawyer his plan was defective from the begining for numerous reasons. One, a cost neutral contract in exchange for labor peace from 2/3rds of the group does nothing except guarantee labor unrest from the other 1/3rd. (a situation the company cannot have) Two, it is a slam dunk DFR. Everyone sees that except usapa, ( by everyone I mean the West, the company, the district court and jury, the circuit court). Three, the company is more than happy to deny the "cost nuetral" contract, and keep their costs neutral with the status quo contracts. That way they don't get sued by the West pilots and lose large sums. What does usapa have as leverage? The possibility that sometime in the distant future the NMB might release them because they have caused the impasse to their own negotiations? Yeah right!! Plus that went away when the 9th ruled and usapa thought it could now go from "cost neutral" to "industry standard". The company is quite content telling usapa to pound sand and hold us all in status quo.

One last thing. There is a very good chance Judge Silver will drop some of her case load. You will be eating the "Wake and his circus" or biased desert judge comments, if the company's DJ finds its way back into his courtroom. Although, whichever judge hears the case, Wake has already put on the record the scumbag tactics of the little lawyer and his usapian faithful.

Yeah..ok...lightens her load....yeah sure. "Put on the record." There is no record. The only thing that remains after this case is the bill.

 

[767jetz]

Absolutely NOT right. But, then again, you seldom are.

Sorry, but around here we don't need proof. Your rules, remember?