US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

I will admit that in the last few months I have just been scanning these pages, so I apologize if you have covered this before, but since we are all US pilots can you tell me how karma can bXXXX slap the east pilots while leaving the west pilots unscathed?

If the Nicolau award is used by APA some east pilots will whine like they were bXXX slapped.

 

[Barrister]

Hey, you posted it so what was the result? Did Silver throw out any part of AOL's statement of facts? Or is this just your standard nonsense and you have no idea what it even means...

Judges don't throw out statement of facts.

Please go play shuffleboard or something will you please!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[cleardirect]

The western division is now back on it s original certificate. Wonder why.? Doug Parker and Franke Air have the hole card to deal the NICOLAU Entitled Generation if need be.

You must be a pathological liar. Or you have zero knowledge of what you are talking about.

The WEST has not gone back to our original certificate. You have no ides the process.

You like the rest of the east have no credibility.

 

[USA320Pilot]

PHX Domicile Update: May 7, 2012

The PHX Reps are hopeful that this update will go out from the Communications Committee. We are including the below Joint CLT/PHL update from April 22, 2012 to allow you to see an update from other Domiciles. We encourage you to read the other domicile updates via the USAPA website.

We do apologize for lack of PHX updates; it has not been for a lack of trying.

TA-10 Remedy

The New Grievance Committee members are reviewing the TA-10 payout remedy for corrections and will be sending us an update soon.

Appeal Board Election invalidation

We have expressed our major dissatisfaction over how the entire Appeal Board Election process was run. Major issues of interpretation were brought to attention by PHX pilots during the campaign that were dispelled, only to resurface after the election results to be used in an appeal that causes the election to be re-run. The only answer we have been given is that the C&BL’s are poorly written and changes need to be addressed. The PHX pilots have known this since April 18[sup]th[/sup], 2008.

Committee Appointees

There are few additional PHX based pilots that have been appointed to committees that will be partaking this week with APA in Dallas, TX.

Negotiation Advisory Committee, Mark Burdick and Lee Fife

Business Intelligence Committee, Johan Devicq

Scope Committee, Patrick O’Neill

Thank you for your assistance in helping these committees.

John Scherff
PHX Chairman

David Simmons
PHX VC

Roger Velez
PHX VC

 

[BoeingBoy]

Judges don't throw out statement of facts.

Better tell MM...

USAPA objects to and moves to strike Plaintiff’s statements of fact....​

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Jim

 

[Res Judicata]

Whatever.

 

[A320 Driver]

Yes it was an estimate. But it is awfully difficult to account for the variable of crazy people. usapa and east pilots have done things that no rational person would have ever thought of let along done.

Like mailing poop? THAT was very rational, along with screaming at other pilots in the gate area with passengers watching.

Careful when you sling that mud you don't get any on you.

Driver...

 

[EastUS1]

A320 Driver: "Careful when you sling that mud you don't get any on you." No worries there....I'm pretty sure most muck would be deflected by those mighty "Spartan" shields, or sopped up entirely by all the "Integrity Matters" T shirts . 😉

 

[flyingskier]

If the Nicolau award is used by APA some east pilots will whine like they were bXXX slapped.

So will a lot of APA pilots.

Skier

 

[prechilill]

Like mailing poop? THAT was very rational, along with screaming at other pilots in the gate area with passengers watching.

Careful when you sling that mud you don't get any on you.

Driver...

Proof? Of course not. How about at least posting a police report? Limited minds (that's you) love to throw allegations around but never seem to dig for facts... How'd that work for you during the Nicolau arbitration? Just keep believing what your reps feed you - Loa93, Addington, DOH, C18... You will remain a happy man.

 

[prechilill]

Really? Lay your career choices out and let's compare.

You really let your anger control you, don't you?

You won the lottery PI, or at least your dad won it for you PI... Its hard to compete against a 20 year old airline pilot- you win. How's that?

 

[Claxon]

Proof? Of course not. How about at least posting a police report? Limited minds (that's you) love to throw allegations around but never seem to dig for facts... How'd that work for you during the Nicolau arbitration? Just keep believing what your reps feed you - Loa93, Addington, DOH, C18... You will remain a happy man.

Addington? That was the western Waterloo. Brilliant move urging the 9th Court to illuminate with a bright light the fallacy and non requirement of the Nic.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Yeah Nosumapclax, ignore that bright light the 9th shown on the requirement that USAP represent east AND WEST fairly and that it's seniority proposal didn't do that....

Jim

 

[Graceson]

Proposals are unfair by nature.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Proposals are unfair by nature.

That's a broad generalization. Can you substantiate that assertion with facts? What’s the legal definition of fair and how does a proposal inherently or ontologically violate that law?

Of course if what you say is true then this would eviscerate USAPA’s claim that the NIC cannot be used because it was unfair to the east pilots (not true but that’s the claim). If all proposals are unfair then there could never be a fair proposal, thus attempts to avoid one unfair proposal in favor of another unfair proposal would not be a legitimate union objective.