US Pilots Labor Discussion

[N924PS]

How quickly some forget. Substitute alpa and we'd have complete agreement. Was it not the mighty alpa that "negotiated" the COC language?...and the LOA93 BS?...Just curious "....how is that parity, CoC language, LOA 93 snapback pay, etc working out?" = Not working out well at all. I'd expect nothing more from any alpa droppings.

Please tell me how all USAirways pilots are better off under USAPA.

Save for a few East pilots that have upgraded or moved from Reserve to Block Holder ( which most likely would have occurred even using the Nicolau Award) are we better off today than under ALPA in 2008?

Perhaps there is some hope. At least the new President has come to the realization that the West pilots must participate in the process and are finally serving on the NAC and other important committees. A long time coming but moving in the right direction.

Yes how quickly some forget. The majority (around 57%) of East pilots voted in favor of LOA93. Negotiated by ALPA but voted on by the pilots.

Ah but democracy is only righteous when it serves your cause.....

 

[traderjake]

Only if one were to willfully disregard all of unionist history, all union principles and protocols within said history, and instead; seek out only what's most currently "fashionable", within our sorry little realm of dysfunctional pilot "associations".

Yeah, I forgot the relevence of blacksmiths and buggy whip makers to our current situation.

My bad.

 

[cleardirect]

Indeed, whilst skipping merrily past the basic question as to how the vast majority of unionized seniority integrations have gone throughout all of history, and of course, conveniently ignoring all other unions in the process...as if by magic, only the latest "fashion statement" must somehow be held to be a perverse system of penultimate 'values". It seems one might wait a goodly long time for the...ummm..."overwhelming evidence" to be made known to all.

Except you are ignoring how all of the other "unions" integrate.


They all follow their own merger policy. Pilots use arbitration. Other unions use other methods. If you want to use a different method go work for one of those unions.

But how they do it is irrelevant to us.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I wasn't aware that you were any member of so much as one....????

I've been a member of a union representing pilots - what other expertise does current union status have???...?

Such a DOH fan but silent during the Shuttle merger - yeah, merge them by pay rate!!! How does that fall in line with your "give me what I want" unionism...wait, let me guess - ALPA did it, it's all their fault...

Jim

 

[Ames]

It has come to my attention that yesterday's closed session meeting between USAPA and senior management did not go well. Apparently my worst fears may be coming to fruition with USAPA using the failed UEL strategy of the past.

USAPA's closed meeting session with US Airways' executive suite was not well received!

I do believe Roland Wilder, Pat Szyminski, Seth Rosen, Dave Bates, and APA will help provide logic versus emotion based decisions. However, I'm very leery of Spyrzka, Gillies, McKee, Ingam, Crimi, Pauley, DiOrio, and Colello's ability to close a deal and make logical decisions.

If the past equals the future than I believe we all should be concerned.

Finally, yesterday did not start the process with a bang.

Reading between the lines in all of this ucrapa is completely and absolutely irrelevant. Management met with them as a courtesy and to stave off any possibility of a lawsuit. APA and management are driving this bus and the rest of us are along for the ride. Ucrapa can demand, scream, yell, pout and cry and it just doesn't matter. They will have no say whatsoever. The only thing you should be concerned about is that we have no representation in this merger. As a west pilot I am used to not having representation and am comfortable with ucrapa's irrelevance here because that means they can do less harm to west pilots.

 

[Ames]

Indeed, whilst skipping merrily past the basic question as to how the vast majority of unionized seniority integrations have gone throughout all of history, and of course, conveniently ignoring all other unions in the process...as if by magic, only the latest "fashion statement" must somehow be held to be a perverse system of penultimate 'values". It seems one might wait a goodly long time for the...ummm..."overwhelming evidence" to be made known to all.

Recent history and pilot unions are all that are relevant. What happened 20 years ago or with unions representing retail workers, flight attendants or mechanics is just absolutely irrelevant.

 

[mrbreeze]

Yeah, I forgot the relevence of blacksmiths and buggy whip makers to our current situation.

My bad.

Yeah,
I suppose that with your train of thought you support a Socialist President, gay marriage, etc...

To hell with tradition, eh?

You keep, on occasion, bringing out this statement that the last 4 arbitrations have been slotted.... true....that is the way they left the arbitrator's office. However, like gay marriage and our current political situation, those methods have not proven themselves yet.

Each time you post your statement, you are insinuating that that is the New Age....the one world order.....tradition doesn't matter.

I disagree. Period.

breeze

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Please tell me how all USAirways pilots are better off under USAPA.

Save for a few East pilots that have upgraded or moved from Reserve to Block Holder ( which most likely would have occurred even using the Nicolau Award) are we better off today than under ALPA in 2008?

Perhaps there is some hope. At least the new President has come to the realization that the West pilots must participate in the process and are finally serving on the NAC and other important committees. A long time coming but moving in the right direction.

Yes how quickly some forget. The majority (around 57%) of East pilots voted in favor of LOA93. Negotiated by ALPA but voted on by the pilots.

Ah but democracy is only righteous when it serves your cause.....

Yes we are better off today, You are closer to your retirement party! And enjoying your LAX layovers!

 

[N924PS]

Yes we are better off today, You are closer to your retirement party! And enjoying your LAX layovers!

I guess you haven't heard.

The FAA/ICAO have been so impressed by the performance and experience of the over Age 60 pilots, they are proposing to allow them to continue on to Age 70.

It will take at least that long for enough pilots to accumulate the requisite 1500 hours to serve as F/O's in 121 OPS.......

Love that Palos Verde Inn. Even I can even get a girl to dance with me at the Bull Pen!

Oh, only kidding on that Age 70 thing (I hope).

 

[traderjake]

To hell with tradition, eh?

I don't recall tradition being one of the merger policy goals.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I guess you haven't heard.

The FAA/ICAO have been so impressed by the performance and experience of the over Age 60 pilots, they are proposing to allow them to continue on to Age 70.

It will take at least that long for enough pilots to accumulate the requisite 1500 hours to serve as F/O's in 121 OPS.......

Love that Palos Verde Inn. Even I can even get a girl to dance with me at the Bull Pen!

Oh, only kidding on that Age 70 thing (I hope).

Last time I saw you there, you should check the packages or your eyesight, another reason till 70 won't be allowed, that was no female!

 

[Move2CLT]

I disagree. Period.

breeze

Because you are old and incapable of adapting to change.

 

[Claxon]

Because you are old and incapable of adapting to change.

And change is in the air. Ferguson on the NAC and giving up on Nic. Who would have thunk?

 

[Move2CLT]

And change is in the air. Ferguson on the NAC and giving up on Nic. Who would have thunk?

Ah, I see you're using the Claxon tonight

 

[mrbreeze]

Because you are old and incapable of adapting to change.

Typical.....just change the subject and attack. That is why I regard you as an adolsecent, no respect for anyone but yourself, especially none for your elders and people who have earned their right to have an opinion.

breeze