US Pilots Labor Discussion

[OTTER574]

Are you confusing Chip with luvthe9?

I thought the same thing.

OTTER

 

[A320 Driver]

Wrong.

"WOLF" "WOLF"...

 

[Phoenix]

It has come to my attention that yesterday's closed session meeting between USAPA and senior management did not go well. Apparently my worst fears may be coming to fruition with USAPA using the failed UEL strategy of the past.

USAPA's closed meeting session with US Airways' executive suite was not well received!

I do believe Roland Wilder, Pat Szyminski, Seth Rosen, Dave Bates, and APA will help provide logic versus emotion based decisions. However, I'm very leery of Spyrzka, Gillies, McKee, Ingam, Crimi, Pauley, DiOrio, and Colello's ability to close a deal and make logical decisions.

If the past equals the future than I believe we all should be concerned.

Finally, yesterday did not start the process with a bang.

No bang? Ya mean Parker didn't start off by telling Hummel that LOA 93 is immediately superseded with pay parity with the West?

Oh, please,you want us to think we still have a lion at the helm?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Oh, please,you want us to think we still have a lion at the helm?

At the helm of USAPA or US? At USAPA no way...more like steers in the chute to the slaughter house (with the leading steers bellowing "Follow me boys, the grass is greener through that door"). At US...how is that parity, CoC language, LOA 93 snapback pay, etc working out?

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

If the APA can keep from whizzing in his wheaties, he won't care what they do to us, east and/or west.

Agreed in full.

 

[EastUS1]

All trader has said is that the last 4 pilot arbitration's didn't result in a DOH award, yet you keep saying it isn't true.

Indeed, whilst skipping merrily past the basic question as to how the vast majority of unionized seniority integrations have gone throughout all of history, and of course, conveniently ignoring all other unions in the process...as if by magic, only the latest "fashion statement" must somehow be held to be a perverse system of penultimate 'values". It seems one might wait a goodly long time for the...ummm..."overwhelming evidence" to be made known to all.

 

[EastUS1]

"WOLF" "WOLF"...

'Twas ever thus....and of course the UAL merger was a done deal as well 😉

 

[BoeingBoy]

It seems one might wait a goodly long time for the...ummm..."overwhelming evidence" to be made known to all.

Only if that "evidence" is something you disagree with, of course...

How much "evidence" to you need to see to get your attention? The biggest airline in the world was created by a merger that didn't use DOH for pilots. Allegheny-Mohawk wasn't truly a DOH merger according to what a former Mohawk pilot posted. Nothing in the M-B amendment calls for DOH. Even mighty USAPA doesn't have a merger policy mandating DOH. You're surrounded by a lot of trees and saying "What forest?"

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

While I don't disagree, history has also shown that if there's a way for USAPA to screw something up they will....

Jim

How quickly some forget. Substitute alpa and we'd have complete agreement. Was it not the mighty alpa that "negotiated" the COC language?...and the LOA93 BS?...Just curious 😉 "....how is that parity, CoC language, LOA 93 snapback pay, etc working out?" = Not working out well at all. I'd expect nothing more from any alpa droppings.

 

[EastUS1]

How much "evidence" to you need to see to get your attention?

Enough to provide the slightest semblance of even the most pathetic possible argument in favor of all unions happily casting aside DOH......Got any?....I didn't think so.

"Only if that "evidence" is something you disagree with, of course..." Show me/all.. any such pretended "evidence" and we'll then talk......

Erratic or even outright insane behavior in but a few select cases within pilot...ahem "associations" misses the mark entirely, and serves only to demonstrate the quilted patchwork of "logic" and "principle" that's indeed become some form of virulent insanity within post deregulation pilot groups of late.

 

[traderjake]

Erratic or even outright insane behavior in but a few select cases within pilot...ahem "associations" misses the mark entirely, and serves only to demonstrate the quilted patchwork of "logic" and "principle" that's indeed become some form of virulent insanity within post deregulation pilot groups of late.

It was neutral, trained professional arbitrators that made the decisions, not four pilot associations, and they came to the same conclusion four times in a row.

That is overwhelming evidence in a sane person's mind.

But then anyone who doesn't agree with you is "insane" regardless of their qualifications.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Enough to provide the slightest semblance of even the most pathetic possible argument in favor of all unions happily casting aside DOH......Got any?....I didn't think so.

Geez, the ego...I didn't know that you were a member of "all unions"... It should be evident to even you why pilot integrations are different than other unions - who else has pay, and thus retirement, based so heavily on the plane/seat they work? Any of your "all unions"? Got any?...I didn't think so. Maybe your friend ROACLT can help - ask him if longshoremen get different pay depending on the size of the ship they load/unload...

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

Geez, the ego...I didn't know that you were a member of "all unions"...

I wasn't aware that you were any member of so much as one....????

 

[Black Swan]

Very interesting to see Roland Wilder in. Bill Widers take on Wake in Addington was priceless. Predicted the 9th outcome exactly. These guys know exactly where Silver has to go.

 

[EastUS1]

That is overwhelming evidence in a sane person's mind.

Only if one were to willfully disregard all of unionist history, all union principles and protocols within said history, and instead; seek out only what's most currently "fashionable", within our sorry little realm of dysfunctional pilot "associations".