US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Ames]

Sure thing "Captain Queeg"..."Ah! but the strawberries! That's where I had them!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlV3oQ3pLA0

Aren't you the guy who denigrates people for using movie references?

 

[Ames]

Uhaul is going bezerk.. Teatering on the back of his heels, scared shirtless. He is way off his game gasping for air.

Why, because he is telling you where to find the facts backing his argument rather than spoon feeding them to you?

 

[Ames]

Incorrect. You will file hoping for an injunction with only the presumed ability to stop "any sli in it's tracks". What actually happens is anyone's guess. A transaction of this size, if it indeed takes place, is always subject to litigation. I have great difficulty in believing that even the most "Devout Faithful" out your way could honestly imagine AOL as being the determining factor in such a massive merger happening or not.

This is true. I'm glad you took my advice to try to post intelligently. The big questiion is: Will Parker or the APA be willing to gamble a transaction of this magnitude on the possibility of our getting an injunction just to placate the very group that Parker has already neutered with his own injunction?

 

[Ames]

Since virtually every pilot on the AWA list can hold Captain out East. Even AOL leader 75 numbers from the bottom .....

Under a relative merge that puts every single , every single West pilot in aCap job in the AMR system. - I think they'll care.

No. Using the Nic gives them a relative seniority list to merge relatively again.

Using a DOH list puts most east pilots in AMR captain slots.

 

[Ames]

Better yet sell the WEST to a third entity, kills all lawsuits, promotes a quicker synegy, and ends DUI's litigation problems! MM! With the LA hub and LUV competition you guys are toast!

Oh, good. The manic side of Cleary is back from the cornfield. Maybe you will give the depressive side (Claxon) a break now. If you wear those two out you can still be eastus.

 

[Ames]

All of the anti-trust issues lie with the east. Your side of the airline is headed to the shredder. I bet you wish you had pulled the trigger on a SLI, now don't you.

I'm not sure who destroys the english language more thoroughly, you or EastUS.

MM and eastus are one in the same. Oh, and Claxon too.

 

[cleardirect]

If USAPA looses in Silver's court is the only "if" in this scenario. The ruling will be appealed all the way to scotus, probably by AOL too, if you loose. Silver's ruling is far from the end. Contract first, SLI second as the appeals move forward. It will probably be at least another 18 months until an unappealable east/west list could be presented for an SLI.

Skier

When usapa goes away who is going to appeal the ruling? APA will not. That will be the bargaining agent.

 

[luvthe9]

Ah, I can sense the desperation all the way out east from these poor boys, I bet the PHX reps must have told them by now. AOL boys are still collecting cash, please give if you can...

 

[flyingskier]

wouldn't that be a single contract thus triggering the Nic?

Good point, it would be a new Transition Agreement between USAPA, the APA and the company. Equal pay rates for all, fences for all and the company will take a neutral position on the SLI.

Skier

 

[luvthe9]

When usapa goes away who is going to appeal the ruling? APA will not. That will be the bargaining agent.

When USAPA goes away and there is no NIC are you going to be suing the APA, our new bargining agent?

 

[Ames]

"...and I don't assume anything about you. I know that you are a weak, pathetic little man and I just plain find you amusing." Amusing how you can link those together. Sigh!...Spend a bit more time with your "Sensei" son...you know, the one who's allowed you to evolve such well developed "humility" and "knowledge" of your unquestionably awesome "strength" and "skill".

Better yet = Find one that's competent...Of course...you might not be as pleased, without all the obvious, mutual indulgence in infantile BS that you clearly have with your current "Sensei"...and you might risk having to figuratively or literally pull your "head" out of your arse and start growing.

Good luck with your journey. You've got a long way to go.

Sensei passed on years ago. I was a paramedic back then and the one working on him trying to save him. He was competent and he was a good man. Something you are not.

Thanks for all the good advice. Now here's some for you. Look in the mirror. Apply your advice to what you see.

 

[flyingskier]

No. Using the Nic gives them a relative seniority list to merge relatively again.

Using a DOH list puts most east pilots in AMR captain slots.

Not with proper fences in place.

Skier

 

[cleardirect]

When USAPA goes away and there is no NIC are you going to be suing the APA, our new bargining agent?

Yes!

 

[cleardirect]

Good point, it would be a new Transition Agreement between USAPA, the APA and the company. Equal pay rates for all, fences for all and the company will take a neutral position on the SLI.

Skier

The company took a neutral stance and see where that has gotten them last time. Parker wants a deal done this time he is not going to leave up to you jokers again.

You have not figured out yet that the fences will only be around the AA wide bodies? That is it. You are not going to be able to hide in the east and "keep what you brought". One company, one seniority list, bid what you can hold anywhere you can hold it.

 

[Claxon]

This is true. I'm glad you took my advice to try to post intelligently. The big questiion is: Will Parker or the APA be willing to gamble a transaction of this magnitude on the possibility of our getting an injunction just to placate the very group that Parker has already neutered with his own injunction?

Both are well aware of what the 9th Ct of Appeals said, about USAPA being free to bargain seniority. That is the final authority in this matter. They get that, western div pilots ignore it. To their continued frustration.