US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[BLT]

"Without a merger, US Airways would liquidate and there would be no jobs." Doug Parker, 2005

 

[luvn737s]

"Profit sharing. Both sides get that." quote clear direct. I say not for long. Lets put it to a vote. Have a nice day!

Right after the Cleary Recall vote.

 

[Run Like Hell]

"Without a merger, US Airways would liquidate and there would be no jobs." Doug Parker, 2005

Is that why Doug said we couldn't get a pre-nup with the east? There wasn't time! US Airways was going to go away - PHX Crew News July 2009

 

[luvn737s]

Does anyone have any heartburn over the continued extortion of the Furloughed Pilots medical insurance assessment (better known as Cleary's slush-n-hush fund) when the majority of furloughed pilots will or have already been recalled? Are pilots allowed to continue receiving benefits if they bypass recall?

Does anyone in USAPA really care when it's play money (I mean "pay-or-lose-your-job money).

 

[flybynite]

Is that why Doug said we couldn't get a pre-nup with the east? There wasn't time! US Airways was going to go away - PHX Crew News July 2009

Did you join the forum today just so you could stir the pot a bit more than it is already?

 

[Black Swan]

Once again the east disregards facts that do not fit your version of reality.

Profit sharing was NEGOTIATIED during the transition agreement. If the east gave something away without getting something in return that is poor negotiating on your side. That is your problem not ours. Now you want a vote to change another deal that the east made. Can you guys not live up to anything?

You say that the west did not bring you up to parity. Do you think that the west is in charge of pay rates? It is not the west that has kept or is keeping you from parity. Parker told you that you could have parity in a new contract. Your choice, new contract or no parity. Nothing to do with the west.

One more time. During JNC there were coast to coast picket events designed to get the east parity. When the east walked out of JNC because of the Nicolau and told us that the east would get parity and never get a contract we withdrew that support. Because you wanted your but did not want us to have anything.

Now reality check. Usapa has been the bargaining agent for 2.5 years. The west has no voice and the east is the majority. Just how is it that the west is keeping the east from parity? If you want to blame someone look to usapa. They are the ones negotiating for the pilots. Why have they not been able to get you parity in the last 2.5 years? Vote all you want. Yet again go back on a deal to harm the west. There will be another DFR case and that would just get thrown on the growing pile of evidence. The case will not just be about how usapa (the east) disregarded arbitration but what have they done for the last 2.5 years to harm the west.

Profit sharing was negotiated in LOA 93. Get your facts straight. Long before the west came into the picture. ALPA was free to dispense their portion as they saw to do it. USAPA as the successor entity is also free to internally, without any company input, disperse these funds, as they see fit. You tagged into it SOLELY because of the generosity of the East. You had NO claim to it. You gave NOTHING, HAD NOTHING to do with LOA 93, so this is a total falsehood on your part. Very shortly, the East pilots are going to demand the BPR put this to a vote to all the pilots again. My feeling- the East E-190 F/O 's should be brought to Group 2 F/O pay. Then the rest goes to the East pilots per capita to bring them to parity with the West. With a look back to 5 years ago.Better get very familiar with LOA and INTERNAL UNION AFFAIRS. If there was EVER internal union affairs, this is it. You cannot sue, you cannot grieve this. You are really done on this one. As far as PROFIT? The west generates pretty much nothing. You generate NO profit, yet you think you can claim it. Get lost.

 

[Black Swan]

Black Swan and luvthe9 seem to think USAPA can just have a vote of the membership and eliminate the profit sharing for the West. Maybe they should look at who are parties to the transition agreement before their foot gets all wrinkled from being in their mouth.

Jim

Jim, this is up to USAPA as the successor to ALPA. Read it carefully, USAPA can do what they want INTERNALLY. You have been wrong time and again. Read your take on the ripeness. Baptiste &Wilder, dead on. Boeing Boy, swing and a miss.

 

[Black Swan]

Does anyone have any heartburn over the continued extortion of the Furloughed Pilots medical insurance assessment (better known as Cleary's slush-n-hush fund) when the majority of furloughed pilots will or have already been recalled? Are pilots allowed to continue receiving benefits if they bypass recall?

Does anyone in USAPA really care when it's play money (I mean "pay-or-lose-your-job money).

Show us the list of the ones fraudulently taking the benefits. Very easy to make this claim without any proof. We voted on this and it passed. Just like we are going to be shortly be voting on the profit sharing. majority rules.

 

[Black Swan]

Right after the Cleary Recall vote.

Dream on. This guy is top drawer.

 

[Boeing Driver]

Black Swan and luvthe9 seem to think USAPA can just have a vote of the membership and eliminate the profit sharing for the West. Maybe they should look at who are parties to the transition agreement before their foot gets all wrinkled from being in their mouth.

Jim

Actually I am not at all sure that is accurate.

There is absolutely nothing in the transition agreement about the AWA pilots getting any profit sharing. The profit sharing was intended for the original US Airways pilots to compensate them for all of the concessions they took in bankruptcy.

I seem to remember that we had a vote to agree to share it with the AWA pilots, at a time when we still believed that they were not our enemies and ALPA was still on the property. I actually remember voting in favor at the time, because I honestly believed (stupid of me, I know) that it was the right thing to do, and would lead to better relations with the AWA pilots.

I am not at all sure that this can not be reversed by another vote. We are doing the research as we speak...

Standby for more.

Boeing Driver

 

[Black Swan]

Actually I am not at all sure that is accurate.

There is absolutely nothing in the transition agreement about the AWA pilots getting any profit sharing. The profit sharing was intended for the original US Airways pilots to compensate them for all of the concessions they took in bankruptcy.

I seem to remember that we had a vote to agree to share it with the AWA pilots, at a time when we still believed that they were not our enemies and ALPA was still on the property. I actually remember voting in favor at the time, because I honestly believed (stupid of me me, I know) that it was the right thing to do, and would lead to better relations with the AWA pilots.

I am not at all sure that this can not be reversed by another vote. We are doing the research as we speak...

Standby for more.

Boeing Driver

Read the language of LOA 93. We gave the givebacks. It is up to our union to determine how we want to do it. Put it out for a vote. This is the definition of internal union affairs. The language backs up. They cannot grieve it, of course they will sue. And lose, again. I am waiting to hear the entitlement saga of how they are paid more,had NOTHING to do with LOA 93, yet still think they should get it. Get ready for Vasin and Co. urged on by Boeing Boy who missed the entire 9th issue. The half baked legal brain trust that got them to spend 2 million for an unripe case.

 

[Boeing Driver]

Black Swan and luvthe9 seem to think USAPA can just have a vote of the membership and eliminate the profit sharing for the West. Maybe they should look at who are parties to the transition agreement before their foot gets all wrinkled from being in their mouth.

Jim

From LOA 93 in reference to the profit sharing -


"The allocation of equity participation to the Association’s members shall be determined by the US Airways MEC, in its sole discretion."


You might be hearing more on this before long....

Boeing Driver

 

[Boeing Driver]

Read the language of LOA 93. We gave the givebacks. It is up to our union to determine how we want to do it. Put it out for a vote.

Not sure my post was clear - but I am in agreement with you. We need to call for a vote on this issue, and believe that USAPA absolutely has the authority to do so.

I do not believe that it would go the same way as before.

Boeing Driver

 

[Black Swan]

From LOA 93 in reference to the profit sharing -


"The allocation of equity participation to the Association’s members shall be determined by the US Airways MEC, in its sole discretion."


You might be hearing more on this before long....

Boeing driver

I am on my rep today. This needs to be addressed now. INTERNAL UNION AFFAIRS. We do as we wish on this one. I don't care how they try and spin this. We got them by the short ones this time, the final vote takes it. Gee, I wonder how many East pilots are in the giving mood this time???

 

[Black Swan]

Black Swan and luvthe9 seem to think USAPA can just have a vote of the membership and eliminate the profit sharing for the West. Maybe they should look at who are parties to the transition agreement before their foot gets all wrinkled from being in their mouth.

Jim

No, Black Swan and Luvthe9 KNOW they can just have a vote of the membership and RE ALLOCATE the disbursement of the funds, at the discretion of USAPA.