US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

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And you guys wonder why we don't feel grateful to you east guys for locking us in PHX and out of any NEW ROUTES.

Nicolau got it right. usapa has it wrong. Damages anyone???


USAPA's proposal doesn't lock you out, it locks the East out of Phoenix. From day 1 under the USAPA proposal you would be able exercise your DOH for those positions but line jumping and stomping feet is indicative the "mush head generations" three year old "but I want it and I want it right now" mental state.
 
USAPA's proposal doesn't lock you out, it locks the East out of Phoenix. From day 1 under the USAPA proposal you would be able exercise your DOH for those positions but line jumping and stomping feet is indicative the "mush head generations" three year old "but I want it and I want it right now" mental state.
USAPA's seniority proposal is worth about as much as a $3 bill with Cleary's picture on it. Do let us know when the Company accepts that fraudulent document as the replacement to the NIC arbitration award.
 
And you guys wonder why we don't feel grateful to you east guys for locking us in PHX and out of any NEW ROUTES.

Nicolau got it right. usapa has it wrong. Damages anyone???
Come on clear, we need that growing Int'l stuff so we can offset the pay differential that you maintain. How is that damage? I would say UNdoing of damage. You need to look at it from both sides friend! I am sure the case could easily be made in that "damages" trial that is coming.
 
Come on clear, we need that growing Int'l stuff so we can offset the pay differential that you maintain. How is that damage? I would say UNdoing of damage. You need to look at it from both sides friend! I am sure the case could easily be made in that "damages" trial that is coming.
The “pay differential” is a result of the LOA93 contract terms the East pilots voted for. There is no one to blame for the pay differential other than the East pilots and the union they formed to support their interests. If the East pilots want a better contract they need to give up on trying to avoid the NIC and start negotiating in good faith. How can there be any claim to “damages” when the Kirby proposal was never even sent to membership for ratification? Management has maintained that that proposal has always been on the table and, if ratified, would have brought pay parity to the pilots. A Kirby TA with the NIC would have been a much greater benefit to the East than to the West, but they haven’t had any interest in attaining pay parity. Therefore, the only group East pilots can blame or claim damages against are East pilots and their own failed union – USAPA. Of course the only ones who can’t understand that are the East pilots. No judge or jury is going to see/award “damages” for a group who has a penchant for operating in such a way that only brings harm to themselves.
 
Come on clear, we need that growing Int'l stuff so we can offset the pay differential that you maintain.

I am sure the case could easily be made in that "damages" trial that is coming.
Actually I don't think so. The west supported pay parity up to the point that the east walked away from the table, from their agreement, and from the arbitrated award. At that point the east chose to shouldered responsibility for the pay differential. The east is not a victim of circumstance. Only a victim of their choices. There's enough proof on this forum alone that you are OK with lower pay rates and continued delay. (Separate ops forever, and all.) I'm pretty sure any judge or jury would see that. IMO it would be almost impossible to throw that back on the west, after doing everything in your power to avoid a raise. Basically that pay differential is the price the east is paying to ignore and endlessly dispute the arbitrated list.

While we are speculating on what case could or couldn't be made, the west could make the the case that every day the east prolonged the implementation of the Nicolau list caused monetary damage in the form of lost raises, furloughs out of (the new) seniority, and stagnant movement while growth occurred on "non transition agreement protected" flying, etc.
 
Love all those new routes out of CLT going International. Check them out. Is the West flying any of them?
Well hello Mr. Gloater! Got a quick question for ya: is US Airways taking delivery of new airplanes for those new routes? If so, I missed that announcement. Therefore, the planes flying those new routes must be at the expense of other routes, right?

Got anything else to gloat about?
 
Boy we are so fortunate to have merged with a bigger more successful airline than our own. Whatever your magic formula was IT HASN"T WORKED since the Colodny days.

Yaah, back in the good old days, The Nines, the 111's (a real mans airplane) give me a break......
And you coming from a airline model after PEOPLExpress
 
Come on clear, we need that growing Int'l stuff so we can offset the pay differential that you maintain. How is that damage? I would say UNdoing of damage. You need to look at it from both sides friend! I am sure the case could easily be made in that "damages" trial that is coming.
Once again slowly this time.

usapa is the bargaining agent now. The west has no voice the east is the majority. If you feel so strongly then tell usapa to get you pay parity. The west for the last 2.5 years has had no ability to stop it. Why has usapa not gotten you parity? Where is the LAO 93 snap back?

What is that you say. Parker told you the only way to get pay parity would be with a joint contract. Oh I see and it is the east pilots that are fine on LOA 93 and seperate ops. OK so I guess it is the east pilots that are keeping east pilots from pay parity. Not the west

The only damage to all of us is caused by east pilots.
 
Yes, if the husband actually threatens to harm, then you get the order.

So after USAPA threatened harm, there should have been an order (injunction)? Remember, in the wife beaters case the husband doesn't get to decide what harm is and likewise in USAPA's case.

Jim
 
The “pay differential” is a result of the LOA93 contract terms the East pilots voted for. There is no one to blame for the pay differential other than the East pilots and the union they formed to support their interests. If the East pilots want a better contract they need to give up on trying to avoid the NIC and start negotiating in good faith. How can there be any claim to “damages” when the Kirby proposal was never even sent to membership for ratification? Management has maintained that that proposal has always been on the table and, if ratified, would have brought pay parity to the pilots. A Kirby TA with the NIC would have been a much greater benefit to the East than to the West, but they haven’t had any interest in attaining pay parity. Therefore, the only group East pilots can blame or claim damages against are East pilots and their own failed union – USAPA. Of course the only ones who can’t understand that are the East pilots. No judge or jury is going to see/award “damages” for a group who has a penchant for operating in such a way that only brings harm to themselves.

Pay parity maybe but lets say itt all together now.....ready??
NO MIN FLEET....kirby proposal DOA just like NIC.

NICDOA
NPJB
 
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I know you save US with LAS PHX and SHARES your regional airline was on a roll. Google Seabury and Bruce Lakefield
You have a lot to learn kid

A REMINDER-- ARGUING ABOUT WHO BOUGHT WHOM IS NOT PERMITTED ANY LONGER-IT IS IRRELEVANT.
 
Love all those new routes out of CLT going International. Check them out. Is the West flying any of them?
Your post reeks of desperation.

I guess you're nervous the LOA93 is a bust. As is your cram down of DOH and C&R's upon the west that you have to find the silver lining in something back East.

Now, do you love the new routes because you like to brag? Or because you hope to get off the E-190?


Usapa = What have NO idea what we are doing. But we'll keep wasting your dues and your time.
 
USAPA's proposal doesn't lock you out, it locks the East out of Phoenix. From day 1 under the USAPA proposal you would be able exercise your DOH for those positions but line jumping and stomping feet is indicative the "mush head generations" three year old "but I want it and I want it right now" mental state.
When you're done reading the C & R's, might I suggest you read the Nicolau Award?


Usapa = Integrity Matters !!! We're learning the hard way...
 
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