US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Run Like Hell]

Welcome back BS. Do you have any comment on Judge Silver's order to USAPA?

For the record, please note that I said I hope the west DO NOT seek damages.

Wish I could have heard the conversation between Silver and Wake at happy hour on friday.

 

[luvthe9]

All this fighting, but keep in mind that within twelve months
6. The FO won't be doing the silly east ritual of signing everyone in at the hotel

7. This is NOT your fathers USAir! Get over it!

Hey Run, You got that right it won't be your" fathers" USAir, You and your people have turned it into a cheap copy of Mesa. And signing the F/A's is just a courtesy thing we have done for years but I guess that would be to much for you to do, although it speaks volumes about yourself.

 

[mikey60]

Two days and still no comment by the most active east supporters about Judge Silver's order for USAPA to submit their motion by the 21st, in compliance with the rules set forth.

I noticed that when those of us who support the west are faced with a setback, most of us acknowledge the events, collect ourselves, move forward, and continue to discuss the facts without a temper tantrum. The east not so much. It will be interesting to see what happens on the 21st deadline.

Could it be that USAPA and it's leadership actually realize the corner they have put themselves in, and hope of continued support is quickly collapsing?

I disagree with the word never in the above quote. I realize it is said tongue-in-cheek. But IMO USAPA will eventually sign a contract that will improve their pay and quality of life, and include the Nic, because their options are running out sooner than later. It won't be long before enough east pilots join with the west to move forward. Probably not until after Cleary's recall though. Unfortunately, even with an improved contract it will take quite some time for everyone to recoup what's already been invested in a failed attempt to circumvent binding arbitration.

For the sake of the east, I hope the west will move forward when the Nic and a new contract is ratified, and not pursue damages. However, the longer this drags out I feel the greater the possibility the west will pursue damages, and no one can blame them for doing so.

 

[Run Like Hell]

Hey Run, You got that right it won't be your" fathers" USAir, You and your people have turned it into a cheap copy of Mesa. And signing the F/A's is just a courtesy thing we have done for years but I guess that would be to much for you to do, although it speaks volumes about yourself.

Boy we are so fortunate to have merged with a bigger more successful airline than our own. Whatever your magic formula was IT HASN"T WORKED since the Colodny days.

Yaah, back in the good old days, The Nines, the 111's (a real mans airplane) give me a break......

 

[exB717Flyer]

And I guess Jacobs fleecing Leonidas for 2 million is not an issue?

Has the East been able to cram down their list on the West? Dr. Jacobs has done the job AOL hired him to do. No fleecing.
Contrast that with counselor $eham. USAPA wouldn't have been founded had $eham not been the only lawyer to tell Bradford changing unions would avoid the Nic and a DFR loss. He gained your business by telling you want you wanted to hear instead of reality. That's legal malpractice. (FYI, you DID lose the DFR suit and its subsequent dismissal does NOT mean it never happened. If you don't believe me just read the documents pertaining to the current suit for declaratory judgment.)

At least Seham delivered. Jacobs delivered nothing but unripe fruit.

I can't tell you much it chagrins me to hear you don't feel AOL's lawyers are competent. Makes me want to prove you're wrong. I think I'll just have to do that.

And BTW, in light of your low opinion of Dr. Jacob's ability how do you feel about your lawyer's inability to follow simple court procedures?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Btw, RLH, do they really do #6 [sign the FA's in] or that just urban legend? Talk about a hold over from the '60's.

Absolutely, but since the pilots and FA's fly together (and thus lay over at the same places) it's not a big deal. While I can't speak for every East pilot, I even made sure the FA's were able to get into and check their room before going to mine.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

On to business.....yes filing a 38 pager without First getting permission from the court was not the best way but such a request is almost always grated.

Except that Seeham asked permission to file a 30 - three zero - page motion then filed a 38 page motion. So even if he was expecting the court to grant the request, he didn't even stay within the limit he had requested. Maybe he's paid by the page - that's 100 or more so far that have been useless.

You did pick the right word, however. I suspect that the judge, after getting the 60+ page motion when court rules say 17 pages, found that the 38 page motion "grated".

Jim

 

[nic4us]

Hold the phone.....are you telling me that clear and NIC4 were furloughed.
If so that sucks but glad they are back getting a check. I can't believe we have
spent this much time arguing with someone who is on the bottom but still had
35 years to make it up. Jeez guys if you are at the bottom and you devote this
much time here you are ulcer bound. You should be chasing women and finding
something away from here that you are passionate about!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Barrister,

I know Clear's identity, he does not know mine. Neither of us have been furloughed. Even with the furloughs and displacements, I remained a lineholding 320 capt. Clear is junior to me, but he is younger and smarter, at least I think he is younger. My women chasing days ended decades ago when I met my wife.

I do not know where BS got the idea we were furloughed. He had mentioned it about Clear in a number of posts, but this is the first time I remember him saying that I had been furloughed, so I figured I would reply. The weird part of it is I specifically told him my status, and in general terms my seniority on the Nic, in a PM conversation he started with me. Guess he did not believe me.

 

[nic4us]

Here come the damages again! Hilarious! The only damage that has been sustained is to the collective West that pipelined directly to Jacobs. For nothing. We're going to file our own damages for the west not seeking pay parity. The knife can cut both ways Jetzzz. Funny how it is the West F/O's who are the angriest. I sense the West captains have had enough, and some do want to fly the 330. They should if they have the seniority. The angry F/O group is denying them with their pursuit of the unreachable. I would imagine the donations to Leonidas are trickling down substantially. Anyway, glad to have our 2 most active west posters back recalled. The anger from the street was constant. Now that they are once more occupied, it will be a lot quieter between 9 and 5. Congrats to Nic and Clear.
It is funny to hear a supposed UAL poster have such a quick feel to the pulse of the issue. You are quite wrong. This thing is going to continue for a long, long time. A contract with the Nic does not include any good pay unless you are west. The east knows this, and will not bite. You just can't seem to get this, but being a angry west f/o it is reasonably expected.
Heres mine- JACOBS = Juries Are Capable of Buying SH*& JACOBS especially when Wake controls the evidence.......

Yep, here come the damages, and there is a date attached to them, Oct, 2008.

Rather than pick apart your post I will just tell you how I think the damages are going to go down. The actual Addington plaintiffs, the guys who put their names on the line, they are going to get a big fat paycheck, courtesy of usapa. The rest of the West class will settle for reimbursement of our legal fees.

 

[nic4us]

And signing the F/A's is just a courtesy thing we have done for years but I guess that would be to much for you to do, although it speaks volumes about yourself.

That seems like a nice thing to do, did they "allow" you to ride cabin jumps on "their airplanes" for that courtesy?

 

[SegmentKing]

That seems like a nice thing to do, did they "allow" you to ride cabin jumps on "their airplanes" for that courtesy?

The pre-merger USAir work group was a very big family. We took care of eachother. The current "East" workforce still feels that way, one of the issues keep coming up with NIC is how all the Mid-Atlantic guys got shafted...

 

[Run Like Hell]

The pre-merger USAir work group was a very big family. We took care of eachother. The current "East" workforce still feels that way, one of the issues keep coming up with NIC is how all the Mid-Atlantic guys got shafted...

shafted by the nic? they were furloughed at the time of the merger!

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

You took care of each other?

Thats a joke, you took concessions in 92 and the company used that to devastate the non-union workforce, you threw your junior pilots under the bus at every opportunity and you crossed the picket line of the M&R in 92 and also performed struck work.

 

[Black Swan]

Welcome back BS. Do you have any comment on Judge Silver's order to USAPA?

For the record, please note that I said I hope the west DO NOT seek damages.

Firzt, it really means less than you attach to it. Secondly, you should hope your friends don't seek anything legally. Their track record is abysmal
SEHAM=Successfully Evading Harm And Mayhem

 

[cleardirect]

And I guess Jacobs fleecing Leonidas for 2 million is not an issue? At least Seham delivered. Jacobs delivered nothing but unripe fruit.

But you know what happens to unripe fruit? If you wait just a little bit it will ripen nicely.

Now, not following instructions that can't be fixed.

On September 10, 2010, the Court granted Defendant USAPA permission to file a
brief of no more than twenty-five pages in support of its motion to dismiss. (Doc. 42). On
September 14, 2010, USAPA filed a thirty-eight page motion. (Doc. 43). Inexplicably,
USAPA interpreted the Court’s order as allowing a thirty-eight page motion, provided
USAPA used different numbering systems for the two sections of the motion. Page limits
cannot be manipulated so easily. USAPA must file a motion of no more than twenty-five
pages. The twenty-five pages is inclusive of any pages devoted to the background facts.
Accordingly,

IT IS ORDERED the Motion to Strike (Doc. 44) is GRANTED. The Memorandum
(Doc. 43) is STRICKEN.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED USAPA shall file a motion of no more than twenty five
pages no later than September 21, 2010.
DATED this 17th day of September, 2010.

Is Seham going to charge usapa for his mistake? What did it cost usapa to find some fruit that will eventually be ripe? About $3 million.

What did it cost usapa to file a case without merit (RICO) and lose outright? $300,000.00 As a fatter of fact Seham could not follow instruction in the Fourth Circuit court either.