US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[flybynite]

Absolutely, but since the pilots and FA's fly together (and thus lay over at the same places) it's not a big deal. While I can't speak for every East pilot, I even made sure the FA's were able to get into and check their room before going to mine.

Jim

We have always appreciated too.

Thanks Jim for always being the perfect gentleman.

 

[Barrister]

Barrister,

I know Clear's identity, he does not know mine. Neither of us have been furloughed. Even with the furloughs and displacements, I remained a lineholding 320 capt. Clear is junior to me, but he is younger and smarter, at least I think he is younger. My women chasing days ended decades ago when I met my wife.

I do not know where BS got the idea we were furloughed. He had mentioned it about Clear in a number of posts, but this is the first time I remember him saying that I had been furloughed, so I figured I would reply. The weird part of it is I specifically told him my status, and in general terms my seniority on the Nic, in a PM conversation he started with me. Guess he did not believe me.

I stand corrected. Congrats that your chase has ended!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Gotta love ALPA!

US Airways Express Carriers Work Together to Protect Pilot Jobs The US Airways Express Joint Standing Committee, established to allow ALPA pilots from different US Airways Express carriers to collaborate on issues, met in Phoenix September 15–16. This is the third meeting with the pilot leaders from Air Wisconsin, Colgan, Mesa Air Group, Piedmont, PSA, and Trans States, and the professional ALPA staff.

Discussion led by ALPA president Capt. John Prater highlighted the need for a formalized alliance to standardize the pilot group goals for the US Airways Express system. Specifically, the pilot leaders are jointly developing methods to protect and enhance job security while implementing means to improve contract standards. The committee intends to further its coordinated bargaining strategy through the establishment of a joint negotiating group that will complement each MEC’s negotiating committee by sharing information and ensuring implementation of group goals.

A key committee goal focuses on providing the highest level of safety, training, and professionalism by coordinating ASAP, FOQA, pilot training, and other operational considerations among the ALPA express carriers. MEC representatives will continue these discussions and meet at the upcoming ALPA Board of Directors meeting to finalize the alliance and determine their next steps.

 

[Black Swan]

Wish I could have heard the conversation between Silver and Wake at happy hour on friday.

Probably went along these lines......."Neil, heard the twenty something law clerks in San Fran. had to do a little clean up detail. Seems like the consensus was you let things get a little out of hand in the Desert. One big question, how do you allow it to go to damages, when they didn't even have a contract yet? I mean this is basic law school stuff. How do you file an assault charge, suit for an accident, damages for a homicide when it has yet to happen? I know you know the daddy of one of the pilots, I mean they have even gone on the ALPA board with this stuff. Didn't you think someone would be looking into it? "

 

[cleardirect]

Probably went along these lines......."Neil, heard the twenty something law clerks in San Fran. had to do a little clean up detail. Seems like the consensus was you let things get a little out of hand in the Desert. One big question, how do you allow it to go to damages, when they didn't even have a contract yet? I mean this is basic law school stuff. How do you file an assault charge, suit for an accident, damages for a homicide when it has yet to happen? I know you know the daddy of one of the pilots, I mean they have even gone on the ALPA board with this stuff. Didn't you think someone would be looking into it? "

Yea! I am sure that is exactly how that conversation went.

I guess there is no such thing as a protective order to keep someone from do harm BEFORE they actually do the threatened damage. Until that husband really beats the wife to death it is not ripe and nothing can be done. Basic law school stuff.

BTW how is the MDA case coming along? No contract, no damages. No Nicolau, no damage right. Basic law school stuff.

 

[luvthe9]

Yea! I am sure that is exactly how that conversation went.

I guess there is no such thing as a protective order to keep someone from do harm BEFORE they actually do the threatened damage. Until that husband really beats the wife to death it is not ripe and nothing can be done. Basic law school stuff.

BTW how is the MDA case coming along? No contract, no damages. No Nicolau, no damage right. Basic law school stuff.

Yes, if the husband actually threatens to harm, then you get the order. Your damage is most likely imagined and will never be realized except in your warped expectations.

 

[767jetz]

Absolutely, but since the pilots and FA's fly together (and thus lay over at the same places) it's not a big deal. While I can't speak for every East pilot, I even made sure the FA's were able to get into and check their room before going to mine.

Jim

I agree. That's common courtesy. (When we actually lay over with our f/a's) But to have the f/o sign everyone in? That's a bit much, IMO. I think everyone can sign their own name and employee # much more efficiently.

 

[luvn737s]

And signing the F/A's is just a courtesy thing we have done for years but I guess that would be to much for you to do, although it speaks volumes about yourself.

No, AWA always hired self-reliant adult men and women who were proficient in writing their name.

I've been around long enough to admit that getting a friendly flight deck crew can be a bit of a roulette spin (but the odds are pretty good). I would think the cabin crew would prefer to not be stuck for 4 days with 2 sub-optimum personalities and at least have some hope they'd be done with them after a turn or maybe 1 overnight.

I'd rather be disappointed that I didn't get to fly with someone longer than to suffer an entire pairing, but that's just me.

 

[cleardirect]

Yes, if the husband actually threatens to harm, then you get the order. Your damage is most likely imagined and will never be realized except in your warped expectations.

I guess the same thing could be said for your imagined fear of the Nicolau award. The difference being an arbitrator decided the list we want. The list you want was built by the guy threatening the harm.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Yes, if the husband actually threatens to harm, then you get the order. Your damage is most likely imagined and will never be realized except in your warped expectations.

Here we have an admission from an ardent USAPA supporter that the NIC will not be avoided and DOH will "never be realized". Even with the USAPA propaganda machine running at full throttle the truth can find its way out. A Freudian slip I suppose.

 

[hp_fa]

The one problem with changing crews is that if there are significant delays in the system you mights have the FA's at the airport, sometimes with a boarded airplane, waiting for the pilots to arrive from their arrival flight into Phoenix. The opposite didn't happen much because there were usually reserves sitting Hot (OPR) who could either pre-board the flight or actually take the trip. But since pilots weren't sitting and waiting on property that tended to be the issue.

As for the other issues that get mentioned, it made little difference to me if flight deck crews were with us the whole time. Most flight deck crews were great, but you wouldn't want to spend four days with crews who were either unfriendly or having issues between themselves.

Just my opinion...

 

[luvthe9]

Here we have an admission from an ardent USAPA supporter that the NIC will not be avoided and DOH will "never be realized". Even with the USAPA propaganda machine running at full throttle the truth can find its way out. A Freudian slip I suppose.

Quite a stretch Calloway, but if it makes you feel better.


Leonidas= and all the roads we have to walk are winding
and all the lights that lead us there are blinding....

 

[Black Swan]

I agree. That's common courtesy. (When we actually lay over with our f/a's) But to have the f/o sign everyone in? That's a bit much, IMO. I think everyone can sign their own name and employee # much more efficiently.

OK, we'll make sure we do it that way. Thanks

 

[Black Swan]

Love all those new routes out of CLT going International. Check them out. Is the West flying any of them?

 

[cleardirect]

Love all those new routes out of CLT going International. Check them out. Is the West flying any of them?

And you guys wonder why we don't feel grateful to you east guys for locking us in PHX and out of any NEW ROUTES.

Nicolau got it right. usapa has it wrong. Damages anyone???