US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[hp_fa]

Could it be that USAPA and it's leadership actually realize the corner they have put themselves in, and hope of continued support is quickly collapsing?

I don't necessarily buy that except for the fact that USAPA continues to employ SSM&P, who have repeatedly caused judges to admonish them in one form or another. SSM&P is, IMO, simply milking the USAPA cash cow for all it is worth and the sooner USAPA members do something about that the better off they will be.

 

[767jetz]

Maybe once Cleary is recalled the union will hire new legal council.

 

[Phoenix]

Maybe once Cleary is recalled the union will hire new legal council.

Maybe we should just reinstate ALPA so that we could have access to the best and brightest legal minds of all time, ya know, the ones who invented final and binding that wasn't. Imagine how successful we would be then!

 

[BoeingBoy]

the ones who invented final and binding that wasn't

The question of whether final and binding in this context is or is not binding hasn't been answered yet was answered too early, so it's a little premature to say it wasn't.

Jim

 

[Freebird]

Could it be that USAPA and it's leadership actually realize the corner they have put themselves in, and hope of continued support is quickly collapsing?

But IMO USAPA will eventually sign a contract that will improve their pay and quality of life, and include the Nic, because their options are running out sooner than later.

Probably not until after Cleary's recall though.

Unfortunately, even with an improved contract it will take quite some time for everyone to recoup what's already been invested in a failed attempt to circumvent binding arbitration.

For the sake of the east, I hope the west will move forward when the Nic and a new contract is ratified, and not pursue damages. However, the longer this drags out I feel the greater the possibility the west will pursue damages, and no one can blame them for doing so.

I think Cleary should stay. He helps the West.

You reap what you sow...


Usapa = Dont fear the Reaper

 

[Schultz]

I don't necessarily buy that except for the fact that USAPA continues to employ SSM&P, who have repeatedly caused judges to admonish them in one form or another. SSM&P is, IMO, simply milking the USAPA cash cow for all it is worth and the sooner USAPA members do something about that the better off they will be.

Winning the appeal to the 9th. How dare they. Just goes to show you how incompetent they are.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Winning the appeal to the 9th.

That's like saying that the football team that is ahead at halftime "won" the game. That team may go on to win the game, but that's not certain by any means. Winning at the 9th would have happened if they ruled in USAPA's favor on the merits of the case, not just because they called a time out.

Jim

 

[Black Swan]

Two days and still no comment by the most active east supporters about Judge Silver's order for USAPA to submit their motion by the 21st, in compliance with the rules set forth.

I noticed that when those of us who support the west are faced with a setback, most of us acknowledge the events, collect ourselves, move forward, and continue to discuss the facts without a temper tantrum. The east not so much. It will be interesting to see what happens on the 21st deadline.

Could it be that USAPA and it's leadership actually realize the corner they have put themselves in, and hope of continued support is quickly collapsing?

I disagree with the word never in the above quote. I realize it is said tongue-in-cheek. But IMO USAPA will eventually sign a contract that will improve their pay and quality of life, and include the Nic, because their options are running out sooner than later. It won't be long before enough east pilots join with the west to move forward. Probably not until after Cleary's recall though. Unfortunately, even with an improved contract it will take quite some time for everyone to recoup what's already been invested in a failed attempt to circumvent binding arbitration.

For the sake of the east, I hope the west will move forward when the Nic and a new contract is ratified, and not pursue damages. However, the longer this drags out I feel the greater the possibility the west will pursue damages, and no one can blame them for doing so.

Here come the damages again! Hilarious! The only damage that has been sustained is to the collective West that pipelined directly to Jacobs. For nothing. We're going to file our own damages for the west not seeking pay parity. The knife can cut both ways Jetzzz. Funny how it is the West F/O's who are the angriest. I sense the West captains have had enough, and some do want to fly the 330. They should if they have the seniority. The angry F/O group is denying them with their pursuit of the unreachable. I would imagine the donations to Leonidas are trickling down substantially. Anyway, glad to have our 2 most active west posters back recalled. The anger from the street was constant. Now that they are once more occupied, it will be a lot quieter between 9 and 5. Congrats to Nic and Clear.
It is funny to hear a supposed UAL poster have such a quick feel to the pulse of the issue. You are quite wrong. This thing is going to continue for a long, long time. A contract with the Nic does not include any good pay unless you are west. The east knows this, and will not bite. You just can't seem to get this, but being a angry west f/o it is reasonably expected.
Heres mine- JACOBS = Juries Are Capable of Buying SH*& JACOBS especially when Wake controls the evidence.......

 

[Black Swan]

I don't necessarily buy that except for the fact that USAPA continues to employ SSM&P, who have repeatedly caused judges to admonish them in one form or another. SSM&P is, IMO, simply milking the USAPA cash cow for all it is worth and the sooner USAPA members do something about that the better off they will be.

And I guess Jacobs fleecing Leonidas for 2 million is not an issue? At least Seham delivered. Jacobs delivered nothing but unripe fruit.

 

[Run Like Hell]

All this fighting, but keep in mind that within twelve months

1. We WILL have a new contract

2. It WILL contain PBS

3. The nic WILL be the list

4. Cleary WILL be gone

5. We won't be paired with the FA's

6. The FO won't be doing the silly east ritual of signing everyone in at the hotel

7. This is NOT your fathers USAir! Get over it!

 

[Pilot692]

All this fighting, but keep in mind that within twelve months

1. We WILL have a new contract

2. It WILL contain PBS

3. The nic WILL be the list

4. Cleary WILL be gone

5. We won't be paired with the FA's

6. The FO won't be doing the silly east ritual of signing everyone in at the hotel

7. This is NOT your fathers USAir! Get over it!



Rumor regarding influx of blotter acid into AZ may be true..........

 

[john john]

All this fighting, but keep in mind that within twelve months

1. We WILL have a new contract

2. It WILL contain PBS

3. The nic WILL be the list

4. Cleary WILL be gone

5. We won't be paired with the FA's

6. The FO won't be doing the silly east ritual of signing everyone in at the hotel

7. This is NOT your fathers USAir! Get over it!

HP wish list

 

[767jetz]

All this fighting, but keep in mind that within twelve months

1. We WILL have a new contract

2. It WILL contain PBS

3. The nic WILL be the list

4. Cleary WILL be gone

5. We won't be paired with the FA's

6. The FO won't be doing the silly east ritual of signing everyone in at the hotel

7. This is NOT your fathers USAir! Get over it!

All probably very true. This would be a good page to save and come back to in order to see how accurately you read the eat leaves.

Btw, RLH, do they really do #6 or that just urban legend? Talk about a hold over from the '60's.

 

[767jetz]

Here come the damages again! Hilarious!

Welcome back BS. Do you have any comment on Judge Silver's order to USAPA?

For the record, please note that I said I hope the west DO NOT seek damages.

 

[Barrister]

Here come the damages again! Hilarious! The only damage that has been sustained is to the collective West that pipelined directly to Jacobs. For nothing. We're going to file our own damages for the west not seeking pay parity. The knife can cut both ways Jetzzz. Funny how it is the West F/O's who are the angriest. I sense the West captains have had enough, and some do want to fly the 330. They should if they have the seniority. The angry F/O group is denying them with their pursuit of the unreachable. I would imagine the donations to Leonidas are trickling down substantially. Anyway, glad to have our 2 most active west posters back recalled. The anger from the street was constant. Now that they are once more occupied, it will be a lot quieter between 9 and 5. Congrats to Nic and Clear.
It is funny to hear a supposed UAL poster have such a quick feel to the pulse of the issue. You are quite wrong. This thing is going to continue for a long, long time. A contract with the Nic does not include any good pay unless you are west. The east knows this, and will not bite. You just can't seem to get this, but being a angry west f/o it is reasonably expected.
Heres mine- JACOBS = Juries Are Capable of Buying SH*& JACOBS especially when Wake controls the evidence.......

Hold the phone.....are you telling me that clear and NIC4 were furloughed.
If so that sucks but glad they are back getting a check. I can't believe we have
spent this much time arguing with someone who is on the bottom but still had
35 years to make it up. Jeez guys if you are at the bottom and you devote this
much time here you are ulcer bound. You should be chasing women and finding
something away from here that you are passionate about!!!!

On to business.....yes filing a 38 pager without First getting permission from the
court was not the best way but such a request is almost always grated. For you
guys to be making a big deal about this shows a SEVERE lack to knowledge.....
landing gear up or running out of gas....BIG NO NO....filing a brief over the
page limit not so much!!!!!!!

NICDOA
NPJB