US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[nycbusdriver]

...that would assure a ripe DFR case.

Okay. Come on.

Has it not sunk in yet that we don't care one whit about any "ripe DFR case?" Really, is that the best you got?

How very boring.

 

[nic4us]

The America West pilots put up with making 50 percent of their peers for 20 years.

Since we are just making up stuff and throwing it out there, even when it is completely false, like the above quote, I have one for you.

usapa has intentionally kept the east pilots on the industry's lowest wages, while they try every underhanded method of reneging on their agreements and obligations, in order to force continued seperate ops and/or steal the jobs of the West pilots.

Oh,,wait,,that is actually a true statement.

 

[notsofast]

Since we are just making up stuff and throwing it out there, even when it is completely false, like the above quote, I have one for you.

I did you a favor and did not include the years prior to 1995, but that would easily take us to 50 percent. In fairness to this, you were grouped in pilots that were not your peers.

Pilot wages

 

[cleardirect]

There is slightly under a 50/50 chance that the loa 93 will be in the USAPA pilots favor. The union had no choice but to grieve it.

If the loa 93 ruling is against the pilots they will continue to negotiate with the company for an industry leading contract, the company will have to pay retroactively. Patience, separate operations until a combined contract. The 9th circuit ruling was very important to USAPA, that was the big one.

Not that usapa spin is the most accurate. But you really need to start reading the spin. Not even usapa is stating there are even asking for industry LEADING. There are negotiating for industry STANDARD! Big difference.

The company will HAVE to pay. Really!! And what big lever does usapa have sitting around to make the company do anything? Might want to read the C&BL. usapa will be lucky to pull off a strike vote of 50% let alone a 95-99% strike vote.

The 9th circuit was only important to usapa in that it delayed any contract even more.

 

[nic4us]

I did you a favor and did not include the years prior to 1995, but that would easily take us to 50 percent. In fairness to this, you were grouped in pilots that were not your peers.

Pilot wages

You do realize that about 60% of the West pilots were hired after 1996? When 10% to 20 % of the pilot group is on first year pay, or when 50% of the pilot group is on less than 5 year pay, it tends to pull the average pay totals down. Can you find a chart that compares apples to apples for the same period. Say 12 year captains pay at the same airlines in the table you posted.

Also TWA is conspicuously missing, an airline that had lower hourly wages, but like AAA had an upgrade time often measured in decades.

 

[Freebird]

The America West pilots put up with making 50 percent of their peers for 20 years.

For the east pilots with the lump sum, profit sharing and retroactive pay, it will only be less than 4 years of sacrifice when its all completed.

I say again. Take off the blinders. h34r:



Usapa = ya but, but, but we had, she said, I didnt , but, no!

 

[Captain Underpants]

Hardly.

There is slightly less than a 50/50 chance you may get restoration of the 3% annual increase. Other than that, I would put your odds at about the number Mr. Kirby used. What is a number very close to zero.

LOA 93 does not contain pay rates except for E-190 rates. The pay rates are contained in LOA 84 and were temporarily modified by LOA 93 using a negotiated 5 year pay freeze that expired on 12/31/09. The LOA 84 pay rates simply became unmodified by LOA 93 on 12/31/09 when the temporary modification expired. The company is arguing that the pay freeze remains in effect based on their understanding that when the negotiated pay freeze ended the pay rates stay frozen as if the expiration did not exist.

The 3% increase is contained in LOA 84 and is due every May 1st of the status quo period which started on 1/1/10. The company could not pay the 3% increase that was due on 5/1/10 because that would be an absolute admission that the pay freeze expired and was no longer in effect. If the company paid the 3% increase they could only pay it on top of LOA 84 rates not the frozen LOA 93 rates.

I would put the odds of LOA 84 pay rate restoration including the 3% annual increases at 80%. It would be 100% except for the fact that the arbitrator is human and subject to making an erroneous decision. In other words if I write the number 2 on a piece of paper and show it to five different arbitrators four will say it is a 2 and one might say it looks like a 6 to me.

Mr. Kirby could not say anything else because that would be admitting the company is trying to cheat the pilots.

I was told by a lawyer working on the case that regardless of the decision expect either the company or USAPA to challenge the arbitrators ruling in Federal court.

underpants

 

[notsofast]

You do realize that about 60% of the West pilots were hired after 1996?

Yes, this is why the abomination called the Nicolau is encountering a slight amount of resistance from the East pilots. Thank you for your very recent assistance in our cause

 

[cleardirect]

I was told by a lawyer working on the case that regardless of the decision expect either the company or USAPA to challenge the arbitrators ruling in Federal court.

underpants

USAPA designed for lawyers, by lawyer, run by lawyers. Seham getting rich off the pilots.

Can you east pilots not live up to one agreement? Final and binding arbitration it is an easy concept.

 

[nic4us]

I was told by a lawyer working on the case that regardless of the decision expect either the company or USAPA to challenge the arbitrators ruling in Federal court.

underpants

Now why does that not surprise me.

Who employs the lawyer that gave you this info?

 

[Metroyet]

The 9th circuit ruling was very important to USAPA, that was the big one.

Really? How's that?

 

[mikey60]

USAPA designed for lawyers, by lawyer, run by lawyers. Seham getting rich off the pilots.

Can you east pilots not live up to one agreement? Final and binding arbitration it is an easy concept.

How does it feel paying for both sides of the arguement? How is it going to feel to lose both sides of the arguement? The desert is going to green up quick

with all the tears that will be flowing soon.

 

[Freebird]

How does it feel paying for both sides of the arguement? How is it going to feel to lose both sides of the arguement? The desert is going to green up quick

with all the tears that will be flowing soon.

It feels good being on the RIGHT side of the argument. The one with Integrity, Honor and Respect. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

BTW, How long have you been back from furlough? Is the E-190 lifestyle growing on you?

You can Thank Usapa for keeping you down.


Usapa = Desperation. (Mikey likes it)

 

[mikey60]

It feels good being on the RIGHT side of the argument. The one with Integrity, Honor and Respect. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

BTW, How long have you been back from furlough? Is the E-190 lifestyle growing on you?

You can Thank Usapa for keeping you down.


Usapa = Desperation. (Mikey likes it)

freebee

I was flying for this company when you were riding tricycles for transportation. As for USAPA, it's the best bang for the buck that I've seen in my 30plus years.

 

[Freebird]

freebee

I was flying for this company when you were riding tricycles for transportation. As for USAPA, it's the best bang for the buck that I've seen in my 30plus years.

30 years? In that case, you should be relatively senior, say top 517? Or at least E-190 Captain.

Usapa's giving you a bang alright. Enjoy the ride.



Usapa = Row faster !!!