US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/9- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Metroyet]

Hold the Phone! Wait a minute: What decision???? Post a link, site a source, give us a quote.....
Sheesh!
Let's hear the news, be it good or bad - but not baseless rumor and innuendo.
Cheers.

Not rumor or Innuendo. The company issued a letter urging Kasher to publish his opinion and to DISREGARD USAPAs request to delay. The company categorizes USAPAs request as a "delay for the sake of delay".

It will all be out soon enough. Gather the CIRP Team!!!! (if usapa has one).

 

[Hate2fly]

Not rumor or Innuendo. The company issued a letter urging Kasher to publish his opinion and to DISREGARD USAPAs request to delay. The company categorizes USAPAs request as a "delay for the sake of delay".

It will all be out soon enough. Gather the CIRP Team!!!! (if usapa has one).

Metro,

I just worked with one of the players that was responsible for the correspondence to Kasher. You might be surprised! Good luck and keep the donations coming.

Hate

 

[PullUp]

Not rumor or Innuendo. The company issued a letter urging Kasher to publish his opinion and to DISREGARD USAPAs request to delay. The company categorizes USAPAs request as a "delay for the sake of delay".

It will all be out soon enough. Gather the CIRP Team!!!! (if usapa has one).

Hold on...The way I read it USAPA wanted a 'heads up' on the decision, which HAS NOT BEEN RENDERED.
Do you notice the key phrase here?
How can you publish the decision when the arbitrator hasn't released it yet?
Maybe we can blame USAPA for not paying our share of the $35 million which is due next January. Where is it? I'm indignant, this is an outrage!!! Why haven't they paid? Everyone should call their reps and complain! Let's sue the union!!! It IS ripe, dogonnit!
Wow, I feel better now. That was cleansing. What were we discussing?
Cheers.

 

[cleardirect]

Metro,

I just worked with one of the players that was responsible for the correspondence to Kasher. You might be surprised! Good luck and keep the donations coming.

Hate

How is Mr. Parker? Did he sit on the jump seat for awhile?

No, maybe it was the grievance chair. You mean she actually found the FRONT end of the airplane?

Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes from the east.

 

[nic4us]

Hold on...The way I read it USAPA wanted a 'heads up' on the decision, which HAS NOT BEEN RENDERED.
Do you notice the key phrase here?
How can you publish the decision when the arbitrator hasn't released it yet?
Maybe we can blame USAPA for not paying our share of the $35 million which is due next January. Where is it? I'm indignant, this is an outrage!!! Why haven't they paid? Everyone should call their reps and complain! Let's sue the union!!! It IS ripe, dogonnit!
Wow, I feel better now. That was cleansing. What were we discussing?
Cheers.

Pullup,

Then you did read the letter, and understand what is going on?

You are correct, the decision has not been published, however, rather than recieve a draft of the decision from Kasher, "a heads up on the decision" which is the normal course of action, usapa wants a draft of Kasher's understanding of their arguements, so they can delay and change them if they do not like what is being forecast.

Just like the company's request for declaratory judgement, usapa knows where these issues are headed, and they are throwing up delay roadblocks. Even at the bargaining table, more roadblocks.

 

[nic4us]

ALPA Merger policy

Any pilot who is a merger representative in an announced merger shall be disqualified
from selection as a member of any Merger Arbitration Board. (AMENDED - Executive
Board May 1998)


"Their report also shows:
• Continental and United had held merger talks as far back as 2006.
• Smisek consulted with Continental's lead independent director -- Henry Meyer of KeyCorp -- when reports of the United-US Airways talks first appeared. The next day, Smisek called Tilton to urge United to switch its focus to Continental." How United, Continental negotiated a 'merger of equals'"]How United, Continental negotiated a 'merger of equals'[/url]

Nuetral pilots for the Usairway, America West pilots;

Pilot "nuetral" Brucia, Continental Airlines. Pilot "nuetral" Gillen, United Airlines.

Definition of ANNOUNCE
transitive verb
1
: to make known publicly : proclaim <announced the appointment>
2
a : to give notice of the arrival, presence, or readiness of <announce dinner> b : to indicate beforehand : foretell

You know one of the reasons there are statute of limitations for bringing charges, is because peoples memory of how events unfolded change. I know my memory is not what it used to be.

But here we have a post implying some kind of impropriety, three years after the fact. So I have to ask, what is your point? Who picked the east pilot neutral?

BTW, as an aside, the results of Addington assures the West has beaten any SOL and has preserved evidence and testimony, so as to not allow peoples memory of events to change. What did the company testify to regarding the Nic?

 

[PullUp]

Pullup,

Then you did read the letter, and understand what is going on?

You are correct, the decision has not been published, however, rather than recieve a draft of the decision from Kasher, "a heads up on the decision" which is the normal course of action, usapa wants a draft of Kasher's understanding of their arguements, so they can delay and change them if they do not like what is being forecast.

Just like the company's request for declaratory judgement, usapa knows where these issues are headed, and they are throwing up delay roadblocks. Even at the bargaining table, more roadblocks.

Yeah YeahYeah...Blah blah blah.....the poster stated that there WAS a decision and that USAPA was withholding it.
That was the issue I was contesting. Where is the decision? It ain't here yet....so how could USAPA be withholding it?
Duh.

 

[nic4us]

Yeah YeahYeah...Blah blah blah.....the poster stated that there WAS a decision and that USAPA was withholding it.
That was the issue I was contesting. Where is the decision? It ain't here yet....so how could USAPA be withholding it?
Duh.

Okay, I reread my post, and I can see how you thought that was what I was saying.

I will rephrase. usapa is delaying not witholding the arbitrators decision being published.

 

[Black Swan]

You are talking about using profit sharing to do it, that's what. Bringing the 190 f/o wages up should be accomplished through a new contract, not through a disproportionate share of the profit. Tell me, how much profit to the company does a 190 create compared to a 320, 757, 767, or 330?

We will do as we wish with it.

 

[Black Swan]

Well said, Oscarjazz. Thanks to you and your Delta leadership for paving the "right" way. Hopefully we at UA will be able to repeat your success, and avoid the pitfalls that have lead the USAirways pilots to this mess.

Yeah, I agree with you. The best place to start would to not put a pilot who was never furloughed with 17 yrs of uninterrupted service in with a new hire. You might get some traction if you start with something basic like that

 

[BoeingBoy]

As is often the case, arguing over a technicality to avoid facing the facts. Does not a draft of the arbitrator's award indicate that his decision has been made and he's just polishing the language? There certainly won't be another arbitration, no "Here's what my decision is so now let's re-arbitrate the parts one side or the other doesn't like."

After Hate, B.S., and others have said what a good year this will be for the East - including winning this arbitration - why delay anything? One would think USAPA and it's supporters would be shouting the good news from the rooftops...

Jim

 

[Black Swan]

Not rumor or Innuendo. The company issued a letter urging Kasher to publish his opinion and to DISREGARD USAPAs request to delay. The company categorizes USAPAs request as a "delay for the sake of delay".

It will all be out soon enough. Gather the CIRP Team!!!! (if usapa has one).

Oh there is one. Their bags are packed, and the bag tags last time I looked said PHX. This is not a request to delay. There is no such animal in the land of arbitration. Merely making sure Kasher has got all the ammo he needs. All the risk lies with the west on this one. If the East loses? We soldier on, and wait for the attrition. Separate ops forever. No problem here. It ain't like you think it is. Now here comes the good part. If the East wins? More separate ops! Why on earth would we ever come together for a contract? There is absolutely no reason. There are so many retirements looming the entire list is moving up. We go ahead of you on pay right away, at the lowest level of a win. If it is the Full Monte? Death blow to the west. I will NEVER vote for another contract, EVER. You don't want to come east, you have said it over and over. Here comes the cement that will shut you in like the Deepwater Horizon.

 

[Black Swan]

As is often the case, arguing over a technicality to avoid facing the facts. Does not a draft of the arbitrator's award indicate that his decision has been made and he's just polishing the language? There certainly won't be another arbitration, no "Here's what my decision is so now let's re-arbitrate the parts one side or the other doesn't like."

After Hate, B.S., and others have said what a good year this will be for the East - including winning this arbitration - why delay anything? One would think USAPA and it's supporters would be shouting the good news from the rooftops...

Jim

Classic Jim. As if USAPA knows the decision and is trying to delay it. One more case where it becomes readily apparent you don't really know the process. And either way, it can always be spun to favor your ALPA faithful. I admit it could EASILY go the way of the company. Anything is possible. I don't believe it will favor the company. But lets be fair. I smell good news!

 

[767jetz]

We will do as we wish with it.

You crack me up! Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Lucky for the rest of USAPA, you are not in charge of anything at the union level that would assure a ripe DFR case.

 

[Black Swan]

You crack me up! Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Lucky for the rest of USAPA, you are just a worker bee and not in charge of anything at the union level that would assure a ripe DFR case.

Make sure you keep Jacobs on retainer for the next DFR.