US Pilots Labor Discussion 8/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

How you got that from what I said:



is a mystery to me. If that indicated that I took exception to anything it was luvthe9's statement that pilots always chase the $$$$. That's just as wrong as saying that pilot's never chase the $$$$ (or a block or the ego thing of being a captain or whatever). Human nature is just more diverse than that so there are no absolutes.

Jim

Okay JIM, hope you had a great vacation! MM!

 

[Pi brat]

You know a lot of east guys accuse XXXPS of being a certain guy. I have always thought his posts were too civil to be that guy. Trader Jake's posts are more like his, but I can't see that guy claiming to be a F/O.

 

[Pi brat]

I thought that the privilege of "do what ever you want"! belonged to the retired.

I have decided to start living my life as if I'm retired, at least on this board, and in respect to certain folks! And until my foot heals and I can get out of the house!

 

[BoeingBoy]

You back?

Got home Saturday afternoon. What's the deal with the foot - did I miss something? At least I got out of Alaska with nothing worse than a big bruise.

I thought that the privilege of "do what ever you want"! belonged to the retired.

In many ways you thought correctly, but not in the context of my friend Pi brat's questions. Plus there's always the "honeydo" list...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Got home Saturday afternoon. What's the deal with the foot - did I miss something? At least I got out of Alaska with nothing worse than a big bruise.

Okay, well official welcome back. No biggie with the foot, just keeping me at home.

 

[traderjake]

when you have a chance to picture yourself looking out the left window of a wide-body... Its like looking at the brass ring..

...while making less than a Delta MD 80 Captain.

That's your dream, not mine.

My dream is the day I never have to see another airport, hotel, or restaurant again.

 

[nic4us]

OK, how many yrs service do you have, and how many years does the east pilot directly beneath you have? You don't have to give your exact hire date, just many years between hire dates?

Well, had I been added to the east list, or even the company that the pilot beneath me was employed at, this might be relevant.

However, since neither is the case I think I will just say that the usapa DOH seniority theft scandal places a over 100 east pilots with less LOS than myself above me. Further, it moves me so far from my Nic number that I will never again in my career reach the same relative seniority I had at AWA, and likely never reach the relative seniority to be able to hold the very captain seat I have been sitting in for over the last ten years.

On second thought, I will tell you. I have 5 years at LCC, all as an A320 captain, the east pilot directly below me has 5 years at LCC, think he is a PHL based A320 captain. BTW, he makes less than me and gets less vacation also, wish I could help him out but there is this group of east pilots trying to steal the West pilots seniority that are holding up the bargaing process.

So what is your point?

 

[Phoenix]

...while making less than a Delta MD 80 Captain.

That's your dream, not mine.

My dream is the day I never have to see another airport, hotel, or restaurant again.

Evidently the sarcasm was too subtle. Chasing the most senior position with the least pay is always the best goal, until eventually one has the ultimate pass on POTA and no more paychecks.

 

[traderjake]

No more nonsensical than the other things you say so I take it at face value.

 

[nic4us]

The Ninth Circuit ruled that Addington is not ripe. Absent a Supreme Court intervention on that ruling, that's it. It's not ripe. There is nothing Judge Silver can do in her courtroom to change that fact. She knows it.

Judge Silver? Who said anything about judge Silver?

 

[notsofast]

Judge Silver? Who said anything about judge Silver?

Apparently the West Pilots have mentioned the name a lot in their updates. You know the Judge you expect to over rule an appellate court decision. You expect Judge Wake back again to save the day then enjoy a game of golf with him. You and the company will learn about the end of your successes with local kangaroo courts very shortly.

West pilots update.

 

[A320 Driver]

You left out one word in the original West position - "instantly". With DOH most East F/O's would instantly become senior to West Captains and line up for their shot at those Captain jobs. USAPA's original C&R's would merely have kept that from happening quite as fast as having no C&R's. As luvthe9 correctly said:



It wasn't just those already very senior East pilots that was the sole worry of the West - most East pilots would be senior to West pilots under USAPA's scheme and it was "senior" in that respect that would create the damage to West pilots as every available vacancy went to those "instantly" senior East pilots.

Jim

What Captain jobs Jim? We just displaced over 30 A330 Captains in April and closed two bases. Unless there is a vacancy, there is no job available. My point is that the West position has changed from one of protectionism regarding West bases to pressing any advantage allowed under the Nic.
Glad you enjoyed your trip!

Driver B)

 

[luvthe9]

What Captain jobs Jim? We just displaced over 30 A330 Captains in April and closed two bases. Unless there is a vacancy, there is no job available. My point is that the West position has changed from one of protectionism regarding West bases to pressing any advantage allowed under the Nic.
Glad you enjoyed your trip!

Driver B)

Nothing changed. Their prize was the 330 jobs and 76 jobs they wanted to slide into from day one. I heard they were over in Camden NJ with realtors holding their big bus manuals.

 

[Ames]

Yes, that is really honest. Fabricate years of service you never actually were ever on the property, then jump years ahead of some guy who actually was in the seat doing the job.Then call it justice. X Box mentality at its' best. Socialism is more like it.

Would that be similar to replacing a AWA captain, such as myself, with a guy who was on the street when the acquisition was consummated? That furloughed pilot also had less time in lenght of service to the company but it's ok to place him senior to a working captain. X Box mentality. Are you sure? You guys want it all and then some....

 

[Ames]

OK, how many yrs service do you have, and how many years does the east pilot directly beneath you have? You don't have to give your exact hire date, just many years between hire dates?

Hire dates have nothing to do with anything. Your 17 year guys had more time on furlough than they did flying when the acquisition was consummated. Despite the rhetoric, flying for MDA, a commuter airline, does not count.